Thread moderation

[Flanny]

When a thread or post isn't derogatory or crude or not within the proper forum I would think it would be a common courtesy to discuss any "edits" the moderator desires to make with the post with the author BEFORE making them.

. . . Unless this forum is primarily for the moderators and administrators. Thus then I would be mistaken.

I don't appreciate my threads/posts being edited simply to suit a moderator's personal preference then being told about it after the fact. If I title a thread for comical purposes and you chose to censor me just because you like things one way versus another, all you've done is prove to me that this isn't a forum that can be enjoyed. There's no need to be overly anal over harmless, unoffensive material that's not out of forum, etc.

If this forum is subject to such censorship please let me know now. I don't need the grief of worrying about power tripping moderators and can find friends elsewhere.

Thank you.

[Sejanus]

I don't know what happened obviously but I know that mods here are pretty upstanding people.

However it is of my personal opinion that this matter should have been dealt with through PM's rather then an open post about it. Perhaps a private discussion with the mod involved would have yielded positive results without having to bring this sort of matter into the public domain.

Drama never helps anyone, just the way I see it.

Edit: Just for clarification on another reading of my post, my comment is directed towards you Flanny, not the mod involved since as you said the mod sent you a PM after the fact. I don't think you yourself needed to start the thread to get your message out when you could have PM'd the mod for a private discussion.

[Queen of Blades]

I don't even know what this is about?? :confused:

[crackstar]

JoAnna, Ken, I think we mods try to be very understanding, yes?

[Sejanus]

JoAnna, Ken, I think we mods try to be very understanding, yes?

They say that a good test of an arbiter/mod is when you don't even notice they are around. In that way, you are very easy to ignore Jeff. :rofl

Tu sais que c'est juste une plaisanterie mon ami. :D:D

[Queen of Blades]

you are very easy to ignore Jeff.

Am I easy to ignore, too?

Anyway, I think this whole situation must be a big misunderstanding. And I am still perplexed by it. :(

[Sejanus]

Am I easy to ignore, too?

I wish I could ignore you Jo.. but you haunt my waking dreams! :rofl

[Queen of Blades]

I wish I could ignore you Jo.. but you haunt my waking dreams! :rofl

Good men always have good answers!:D

[Sejanus]

Good men always have good answers!:D

:o

[Flanny]

This isn't the first time this has happened. Private messages served no purpose.

It's about moderators micromanaging "above and beyond" the rules under the pretense of "for the benefit of the membership".

I come here to relax, not to worry about some one who moderates things in extreme excess.

It's been nice knowing the majority of you but a couple of "bad apples" can ruin the whole experience.

I doubt I'll be back, with the exception of replying to pms if I feel it warrants.

Those who choose to stay in contact with me can do so by email.

Take care.

[Sejanus]

That is of course your call.

[Queen of Blades]

This isn't the first time this has happened. Private messages served no purpose.

It's about moderators micromanaging "above and beyond" the rules under the pretense of "for the benefit of the membership".

I come here to relax, not to worry about some one who moderates things in extreme excess.

It's been nice knowing the majority of you but a couple of "bad apples" can ruin the whole experience.

I doubt I'll be back, with the exception of replying to pms if I feel it warrants.

Those who choose to stay in contact with me can do so by email.

Take care.

:confused: :confused: :confused:

[Austin]

Don't let the door hit you on your way out. :D

Seriously, as most forums, this a private site. We are all subject to rules and decorum of the site owners. Good luck finding a site that suits your taste.

[sparky5693]

When a thread or post isn't derogatory or crude or not within the proper forum I would think it would be a common courtesy to discuss any "edits" the moderator desires to make with the post with the author BEFORE making them.

. . . Unless this forum is primarily for the moderators and administrators. Thus then I would be mistaken.

I don't appreciate my threads/posts being edited simply to suit a moderator's personal preference then being told about it after the fact. If I title a thread for comical purposes and you chose to censor me just because you like things one way versus another, all you've done is prove to me that this isn't a forum that can be enjoyed. There's no need to be overly anal over harmless, unoffensive material that's not out of forum, etc.

If this forum is subject to such censorship please let me know now. I don't need the grief of worrying about power tripping moderators and can find friends elsewhere.

Thank you.

Glen. I can assure you, there are no power tripping moderators here. I'm sorry you feel this is an act of censorship, but in reality Scorpio was trying to do you a favor since their were two threads with the same title.

Moderators here have quite a bit they do around here. If it wasn't for the work the mods do here, this forum would be filled with people trying to sell you pills, change your religion, pick your political candidate, and post up some pics that I can assure you, nobody wants to see. They go through thousands of threads to keep this place civil. Most people have days where you come home from whatever it is we do in our daily lives, and ya just don't feel like logging onto the computer and looking at websites. When you're a moderator, you don't have that luxury. While the staff here loves, and believes in the shave den, i'm sure they all have those days.

When Scorpio changed your title, he was trying to do you, me, and everyone else a good service. Using the method you mentioned doesn't always work. I understand your desire that he check with you first, but we have no idea how long it may be before before you would have a chance to respond to such a pm. Then there's the time for the mod to receive the pm, and make the changes. Depending on our daily lives, something like this could go on for days before it's resolved. This was just a title change.... if someone were modifying your words in a post, that could be a different matter entirely.

Censorship must exist to SOME level in all forums that wish to remain family friendly.

I've also moved this thread to a more proper section of the forum.

[Sejanus]

Well said Bobby.

[mastermute]

If it wasn't for the work the mods do here, this forum would be filled with people trying to sell you pills, change your religion, pick your political candidate, and post up some pics that I can assure you, nobody wants to see.

I have alredy sold my soul, twice. And if anyone posts a pic of a Gillette Fu**** again I'm quitting too :p

Seriously, I run a site too, and sometimes get "misunderstood" in my actions. I hope this all gets a happy ending and that it all is a great misunderstanding. I'd hate to see you leave Glen!

Be kind to eachother!

[crackstar]

mais biensure, Ken--meme ma femme m'ignore des fois, pas souvent, mais des fois, ca m'arrive!

[Queen of Blades]

Very well said, Bobby! :1respect

I'd also like to add, if this was more than a one time occurrence, why weren't the mods informed?

Anyway, if you have anything that needs to be brought to all the mods attention, there is a red triangle at the top right side of each post for reporting posts. Click that and write a small bit of text letting us know what your concern is. That way we all see it.

[Sejanus]

mais biensure, Ken--meme ma femme m'ignore des fois, pas souvent, mais des fois, ca m'arrive!

Pauvre Jeff... :rofl

[crackstar]

Pauvre Jeff... :rofl

c'est les femmes qui dominent, n'est ce pas? :rofl

[Sejanus]

c'est les femmes qui dominent, n'est ce pas? :rofl

Oui :D

[rick]

Glen. I can assure you, there are no power tripping moderators here.

I've also moved this thread to a more proper section of the forum.


Well...
I sure hoped you PM'd Flanny before you moved his thread and I, for one, am hardly doing this for power, fame or glory.
Just the measly little stipend you send me every week is plenty enough ;)

[sparky5693]

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Well...
I sure hoped you PM'd Flanny before you moved his thread and I, for one, am hardly doing this for power, fame or glory.
Just the measly little stipend you send me every week is plenty enough ;)

Stipend? :happy102

[Baloosh]

Raf laying down the HAMMER once again! ;)

[Austin]

Raf laying down the HAMMER once again! ;)

He's my hero.

[rick]

Raf laying down the HAMMER once again! ;)

He's my hero.


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[moviemaniac]

I doubt I'll be back.

Well, honestly, that's good news! As far as I know the only thing Raf did (and he had every right to do so!) was to change your thread-title to avoid any misunderstandings.
We are moderators, allright, we are here to keep things up and running and in our line of duty we sometimes have to act. Where would it lead us if we, the moderators(!) had to ask the users for permission first before acting?

In my mind I see the following situation: A man gets held up by the police for some minor issue. Does the policeman have to ask: "Sir, may we pull you out and correct (whatever it is)"? Nope, they pull him our and do their thing.

That's what we moderators do, we keep things running smoothly and in order to do that, we sometimes have to act. In fact, we rarely "interfere" with threads, only, when there's absolute need. If you're not in consent with MINIMAL interfering (only when it's absolutely necessary) from our side, then, alas, your going away is not a loss to us but a gain :rolleyes:

Have fun looking for a more democratic, minimally interfering forum than we have here - I very much doubt you'll find it :p

[herzi]

Well said, Klaus. I often have to fight with such things in our forum, too. ::

[Scorpio]

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:D

[qhsdoitall]

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[Bill]

When I first read Glen's posts I thought maybe one of the neighborhood kids found his computer unattended and wrote all those things, pretending to be him. Something in his life, other than post editing, must really be exasperating Glen for him to respond this way. I have found him to be a considerate, compassionate, and generous man who would give you the shirt off his back for as long as I have known him.

The decision for moderation, as explained here on this thread, certainly falls under valid reasoning the way I see it and I can find no fault on the part of the moderators. I do not envision any of y'all as SS stormtroopers. Glen has always protrayed himself to be a reasonable person almost to a fault, so I am surprised that he has reacted this way... I only hope he is OK. His words don't sound like the man I thought I knew, and I would be sad to see him go over this misunderstanding on his part.

Glen, buddy, I hope you are ok. These are really great folks here and I'm sorry you don't see the reasoning behind their actions.

[Michael]

Bill, that may well be the most thoughtful, well considered and compassionate post I have read on this, or any other forum. I don't know Glen. I don't even know what was written - or changed. But I wish him well.

One of the people I work with, a very nice lady, has this sig line on all of her emails;"Be kind, for everyone you meet is fighting a hard battle."
Something to think about.

[rick]

Thanks guys.
Reminded me of a song I thought might be good to share


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MgFrfT5V40I

[Bronco]

Thank you Bill, very informative. Sometimes ya just don't know what another person is going through.

[St. Croix]

Bill,

Nice post. I had no idea how "sensitive" you could be!:rofl

I don't think that Glen needs "moderating" explained to him. He is a moderator at SRP. And I do agree with Bill, his post is not indicative of the man I know him to be.

St. Croix

[Scorpio]

Bill,

Nice post. I had no idea how "sensitive" you could be!:rofl

I don't think that Glen needs "moderating" explained to him. He is a moderator at SRP. And I do agree with Bill, his post is not indicative of the man I know him to be.

St. Croix

Hold on...he is moderator at SRP??????

This puts a whole new spin on things

Raf

[Baloosh]

Indeed. If this is true, (the whole thing with Glenn being a mod over at SRP) then perhaps his words ring out on a whole different level. It seems like he has a significant problem with the way this situation was handled.

[Scorpio]

Indeed. If this is true, (the whole thing with Glenn being a mod over at SRP) then perhaps his words ring out on a whole different level. It seems like he has a significant problem with the way this situation was handled.

The manner in which he reacted was not appropriate regardless of what he does for other websites. There is no problem in the way this was handled. Being a moderator gives him the insight of the work done. He flew off the handle for no reason at all. Being a moderator somewhere else does not gives him special privilege here or anywhere. The only significant problem here is in the way he conducted himself.

Raf

[Baloosh]

The manner in which he reacted was not appropriate regardless of what he does for other websites. There is no problem in the way this was handled. Being a moderator gives him the insight of the work done. He flew off the handle for no reason at all. Being a moderator somewhere else does not gives him special privilege here or anywhere. The only significant problem here is in the way he conducted himself.

Raf

I never defended the way he responded. I merely said that perhaps he's correct, but the way he went about handling it might not have been the most effective.

In your opinion there was no problem with the way this was handled, but obviously someone else feels differently.

[Scorpio]

I never defended the way he responded. I merely said that perhaps he's correct, but the way he went about handling it might not have been the most effective.

In your opinion there was no problem with the way this was handled, but obviously someone else feels differently.

The only one I am aware in disagreement is him. and he misunderstood and mishandle the issue. We have a difficult job to do and I stand by my actions and the actions of every one of my fellow moderators. The situation was discussed and explained in detail. If you feel you need more satisfaction feel free to address any of the moderators and administrators via PM.

Raf

[Baloosh]

The only one I am aware in disagreement is him. and he misunderstood and mishandle the issue. We have a difficult job to do and I stand by my actions and the actions of every one of my fellow moderators. The situation was discussed and explained in detail. If you feel you need more satisfaction feel free to address any of the moderators and administrators via PM.

Raf

Just so I don't misunderstand: You're saying I'm no longer allowed to post any responses in this thread, and any further information I may or may not want should be handled via PM. Is that correct?

[Scorpio]

Just so I don't misunderstand: You're saying I'm no longer allowed to post any responses in this thread, and any further information I may or may not want should be handled via PM. Is that correct?

No, that is not what I said and yes you misunderstood. I never stated or implied you could not post in this thread. I can not see where you came to the conclusion that you were told you could not post in this thread. I simply stated that if you needed a more detailed explanation you were free to PM any moderator or administrator. The offer to address a moderator or an administrator via PM is not meant to restrict you from posting in this thread. It is simply an offer if you seek a more detail response to your inquiry. I regret that you felt it was meant in a manner that you were not allowed to post in this or any other thread. Hopefully I have addressed your concerns.

Raf

[Baloosh]

No, that is not what I said and yes you misunderstood. I never stated or implied you could not post in this thread. I can not see where you came to the conclusion that you were told you could not post in this thread. I simply stated that if you needed a more detailed explanation you were free to PM any moderator or administrator. The offer to address a moderator or an administrator via PM is not meant to restrict you from posting in this thread. It is simply an offer if you seek a more detail response to your inquiry. I regret that you felt it was meant in a manner that you were not allowed to post in this or any other thread. Hopefully I have addressed your concerns.

Raf

Got it -- appreciate the clarification. I took your post to mean I could not post in this thread, not that I couldn't post in all threads. Thanks for the additional explanation.

[sparky5693]

Guys, this thread is really getting out of hand. I left it open so that flanny could post any thoughts he had on the matter here. Come on guys... we're "beating a dead horse" as the saying goes.

[michaelskar]

You jerky mods!!! ;):D just kidding...