Help-Shampoo for Dry Scalp

[Bronco]

Seems the older I get the more trouble I have with shampoo. I don't have dandruff just a dry "head". Dandruff shampoos are to harsh and I don't like conditioners. What I'm looking for is a moisturizing shampoo. Any suggestions? ...........and Joe...........I've already tried the "beer" rinse. :D

[Sejanus]

While it is not the gold standard, Head and Shoulders recently came out with a version that deals with dry scalp. It is balanced for everyday use.

I am sure Issy has some sort of mixture of oil/salt/sugar or vinegar he can tell you about... :D

[TraderJoe]

...........and Joe...........I've already tried the "beer" rinse. :D

Oh man, it didn't work :confused: :rofl

One thing that I know which can be good for dry scalp is jojoba oil. Massaging that into the scalp and hair might be a good idea......probably before the shower, or immediately after shampooing.

Issy might suggest coconut oil, I have heard him mention applying a very small amount of coconut oil can help with scalp/hair moisturization.

As far as actual "products" are concerned, I know that the Dr Hauschka treatments work very well:

Shampoo: Apricot and Sea Buckthorn


for dry or damaged hair
Restore body and shine to dry, brittle or damaged hair with oils and extracts of select botanicals.
Gentle cleaning for dry, damaged hair
Neem and burdock extracts restore brittle hair
Apricot kernel, rose hip and seabuckthorn oils moisturize and shine
Activates the scalp's natural functions
Milk and wheat proteins provide resilience and manageabilityFull Ingredient List for Shampoo with Apricot and Sea Buckthorn
Water/Aqua (http://www.drhauschka.com/holistic-products/glossary/default.aspx?id=112&ingredient=Water%2fAqua), Decyl Glucoside (http://www.drhauschka.com/holistic-products/glossary/default.aspx?id=195&ingredient=Decyl+Glucoside), Betaine (http://www.drhauschka.com/holistic-products/glossary/default.aspx?id=191&ingredient=Betaine), Sorbitol (http://www.drhauschka.com/holistic-products/glossary/default.aspx?id=126&ingredient=Sorbitol), Sodium Coco-Glucoside Tartrate (http://www.drhauschka.com/holistic-products/glossary/default.aspx?id=145&ingredient=Sodium+Coco-Glucoside+Tartrate), Horsetail (Equisetum Arvense) Extract (http://www.drhauschka.com/holistic-products/glossary/default.aspx?id=50&ingredient=Horsetail+%28Equisetum+Arvense%29+Extra ct), Neem (Melia Azadirachta) Leaf Extract (http://www.drhauschka.com/holistic-products/glossary/default.aspx?id=72&ingredient=Neem+%28Melia+Azadirachta%29+Leaf+Extra ct), Glyceryl Caprylate (http://www.drhauschka.com/holistic-products/glossary/default.aspx?id=156&ingredient=Glyceryl+Caprylate), Sodium Citrate (http://www.drhauschka.com/holistic-products/glossary/default.aspx?id=204&ingredient=Sodium+Citrate), Sodium Myristoyl Glutamate (http://www.drhauschka.com/holistic-products/glossary/default.aspx?id=206&ingredient=Sodium+Myristoyl+Glutamate), Fenugreek (Trigonella Foenum Graecum) Extract (http://www.drhauschka.com/holistic-products/glossary/default.aspx?id=196&ingredient=Fenugreek+%28Trigonella+Foenum+Graecum% 29+Extract), Alcohol (http://www.drhauschka.com/holistic-products/glossary/default.aspx?id=2&ingredient=Alcohol), Sodium Cocoyl Glutamate (http://www.drhauschka.com/holistic-products/glossary/default.aspx?id=205&ingredient=Sodium+Cocoyl+Glutamate), Prunus Armeniaca (Apricot) Kernel Oil (http://www.drhauschka.com/holistic-products/glossary/default.aspx?id=146&ingredient=Prunus+Armeniaca+%28Apricot%29+Kernel+O il), Seabuckthorn (Hippophae Rhamnoides) Oil (http://www.drhauschka.com/holistic-products/glossary/default.aspx?id=183&ingredient=Seabuckthorn+%28Hippophae+Rhamnoides%29 +Oil), Burdock (Arctium Lappa) Extract (http://www.drhauschka.com/holistic-products/glossary/default.aspx?id=16&ingredient=Burdock+%28Arctium+Lappa%29+Extract), Rosa Canina Fruit Extract (http://www.drhauschka.com/holistic-products/glossary/default.aspx?id=84&ingredient=Rosa+Canina+Fruit+Extract), Hydrolyzed Wheat Protein (http://www.drhauschka.com/holistic-products/glossary/default.aspx?id=51&ingredient=Hydrolyzed+Wheat+Protein), Hydrolized Milk Protein (http://www.drhauschka.com/holistic-products/glossary/default.aspx?id=198&ingredient=Hydrolized+Milk+Protein), Fragrance/Parfum (Essential Oil) (http://www.drhauschka.com/holistic-products/glossary/default.aspx?id=43&ingredient=Fragrance%2fParfum+%28Essential+Oil%29) , Limonene (http://www.drhauschka.com/holistic-products/glossary/default.aspx?id=137&ingredient=Limonene), Linalool (http://www.drhauschka.com/holistic-products/glossary/default.aspx?id=138&ingredient=Linalool), Carrageenan (Chondrus Crispus) (http://www.drhauschka.com/holistic-products/glossary/default.aspx?id=121&ingredient=Carrageenan+%28Chondrus+Crispus%29), Guar (Cyamopsis Tetragonoloba) Gum (http://www.drhauschka.com/holistic-products/glossary/default.aspx?id=46&ingredient=Guar+%28Cyamopsis+Tetragonoloba%29+Gum) , Xanthan Gum (http://www.drhauschka.com/holistic-products/glossary/default.aspx?id=115&ingredient=Xanthan+Gum), Simmondsia Chinensis (Jojoba) Seed Oil (http://www.drhauschka.com/holistic-products/glossary/default.aspx?id=210&ingredient=Simmondsia+Chinensis+%28Jojoba%29+Seed+ Oil), Neem (Melia Azadirachta) Seed Oil (http://www.drhauschka.com/holistic-products/glossary/default.aspx?id=200&ingredient=Neem+%28Melia+Azadirachta%29+Seed+Oil), Red Pepper (Capsicum Annum) Extract (http://www.drhauschka.com/holistic-products/glossary/default.aspx?id=193&ingredient=Red+Pepper+%28Capsicum+Annum%29+Extract ), Arachis Hypogaea (Peanut) Oil (http://www.drhauschka.com/holistic-products/glossary/default.aspx?id=77&ingredient=Arachis+Hypogaea+%28Peanut%29+Oil)
And I have also hear good things about their "Neem Hair Lotion"

http://www.drhauschka.com/images/products/hair-care/HC_nl_d.jpg

For oily or dry scalp and hair conditions
A versatile leave-in scalp treatment. Encourages healthy hair growth and normalizes oil production by the scalp.
neem leaf and other plant extracts enliven and normalize
Soothes itchy, irritated scalp conditions
Helps prevent flaking and hair loss
Strengthens fine, thin hair and balances oily or dry conditions
Full Ingredient List for Neem Hair Lotion
Water/Aqua (http://www.drhauschka.com/holistic-products/glossary/default.aspx?id=112&ingredient=Water%2fAqua), Alcohol (http://www.drhauschka.com/holistic-products/glossary/default.aspx?id=2&ingredient=Alcohol), Neem (Melia Azadirachta) Leaf Extract (http://www.drhauschka.com/holistic-products/glossary/default.aspx?id=72&ingredient=Neem+%28Melia+Azadirachta%29+Leaf+Extra ct), Nettle (Urtica Urens) Extract (http://www.drhauschka.com/holistic-products/glossary/default.aspx?id=173&ingredient=Nettle+%28Urtica+Urens%29+Extract), Arnica Montana Extract (http://www.drhauschka.com/holistic-products/glossary/default.aspx?id=6&ingredient=Arnica+Montana+Extract), Birch (Betula Alba) Bark Extract (http://www.drhauschka.com/holistic-products/glossary/default.aspx?id=11&ingredient=Birch+%28Betula+Alba%29+Bark+Extract), Calendula Officinalis Extract (http://www.drhauschka.com/holistic-products/glossary/default.aspx?id=17&ingredient=Calendula+Officinalis+Extract), Horse Chestnut (Aesculus Hippocastanum) Extract (http://www.drhauschka.com/holistic-products/glossary/default.aspx?id=49&ingredient=Horse+Chestnut+%28Aesculus+Hippocastanu m%29+Extract), Borage (Borago Officinalis) Extract (http://www.drhauschka.com/holistic-products/glossary/default.aspx?id=14&ingredient=Borage+%28Borago+Officinalis%29+Extract ), Burdock (Arctium Lappa) Extract (http://www.drhauschka.com/holistic-products/glossary/default.aspx?id=16&ingredient=Burdock+%28Arctium+Lappa%29+Extract), Rosemary (Rosmarinus Officinalis) Essential Oil (http://www.drhauschka.com/holistic-products/glossary/default.aspx?id=88&ingredient=Rosemary+%28Rosmarinus+Officinalis%29+E ssential+Oil), Fragrance/Parfum (Essential Oil) (http://www.drhauschka.com/holistic-products/glossary/default.aspx?id=43&ingredient=Fragrance%2fParfum+%28Essential+Oil%29) , Citronellol (http://www.drhauschka.com/holistic-products/glossary/default.aspx?id=135&ingredient=Citronellol), Geraniol (http://www.drhauschka.com/holistic-products/glossary/default.aspx?id=140&ingredient=Geraniol), Linalool (http://www.drhauschka.com/holistic-products/glossary/default.aspx?id=138&ingredient=Linalool), Limonene (http://www.drhauschka.com/holistic-products/glossary/default.aspx?id=137&ingredient=Limonene), Coumarin (http://www.drhauschka.com/holistic-products/glossary/default.aspx?id=136&ingredient=Coumarin)

--------> Supposedly Neem Oil and Rosemary Oil are very good for dry scalp

[Bronco]

Thanks Joe! You are a weath of knowledge. I'm off to do research! :bounce015

[sparky5693]

Bronco, I have really great luck, from just using one of issy's bar soaps. Tons of lather, nice feeling hair, and my dry scalp went away.

[Bronco]

Bronco, I have really great luck, from just using one of issy's bar soaps. Tons of lather, nice feeling hair, and my dry scalp went away.

Good to know, thanks!

[Sejanus]

Bronco, I have really great luck, from just using one of issy's bar soaps. Tons of lather, nice feeling hair, and my dry scalp went away.

I remember Isaac mentioning in another thread he had similar results. I know Issy also only uses his own soap and some of the coconut oil he previously mentioned.

Issy also told me about a facial cleaner made out of Olive Oil and Sugar!

But Issy works in soap voodoo and what he can do might not work for you :D

[Bronco]

IBut Issy works in soap voodoo and what he can do might not work for you :D

:eek::cool::D

[TraderJoe]

I actually use bar soap (Issy primarily) to wash my hair, though I have short hair. I can't speak to its effects with longer hair......

[Issy]

I actually use bar soap (Issy primarily) to wash my hair, though I have short hair. I can't speak to its effects with longer hair......
Thats where a dab of coconut oil comes in. I have longhair.

Issy

[qhsdoitall]

Love Issy's soaps. Have not tried them as a shampoo though.

Epicurean makes some combination shea butter shampoo/bath soap

[jnich67]

Mama Bear Sue also makes a nice shampoo.

Jordan

[moviemaniac]

I actually use bar soap (Issy primarily) to wash my hair, though I have short hair. I can't speak to its effects with longer hair......
I also use (preferrably superfatted) soap bars for showering and washing my hair. Superfatted soaps should also work great on a dry scalp.

[Bronco]

Superfatted soaps should also work great on a dry scalp.

I had to read this one 2X. I thought you said I had a superfatted head! :D

[qhsdoitall]

I had to read this one 2X. I thought you said I had a superfatted head! :D

Do you? :rofl

[rick]

just a thought.....
Do you or have you tried any hair tonics?
What is your post shower routine for your hair ??

[TraderJoe]

Steve- what are you using now to shampoo your hair?

How about we get to the "root" ;) of this problem.


- - - I have a feeling what you're using has SLS in it........which can be irritating/drying to the scalp.

Now some peeps will say "But I have been using it for YEARS with no problem, your nuts! SLS is fine! I slather it all over!" Well, maybe it works for some, but it is a known skin irritant in many cases. But moreover, your skin/scalp can become allergic to it and develop an aversion and subsequently a reaction to it.

[Bronco]

This is what I've been using -
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Ingredients
Water, Sodium Trideceth Sulfate, Sodium Lauroamphoacetate, Sodium Chloride, Cocamide MEA, Meadowfoam (Laminates Alba) Seed Oil, Olive (Olea Europaea) Fruit Oil, Panthenyl Ethyl Ether, Sodium Benzotriazolyl Butylphenol, Sulfonate, Polyquaternium-7, Amodimethicone, Guar Hydroxypropyltrimonium Chloride, Castor Isostearate Succinate, Dimethiconol, Sweet Almond (Prunus Amygdalus Dulcis) Oil, Phenoxyethanol, Methylparaben, Propylparaben, Cetyl Alcohol, Guar (Cyamopsis Tetragonoloba) Gum, Citric Acid, TEA Dodecylbenzenesulfonate, Fragrance.

[TraderJoe]

This is what I've been using -

Ingredients
Water, Sodium Trideceth Sulfate, Sodium Lauroamphoacetate, Sodium Chloride, Cocamide MEA, Meadowfoam (Laminates Alba) Seed Oil, Olive (Olea Europaea) Fruit Oil, Panthenyl Ethyl Ether, Sodium Benzotriazolyl Butylphenol, Sulfonate, Polyquaternium-7, Amodimethicone, Guar Hydroxypropyltrimonium Chloride, Castor Isostearate Succinate, Dimethiconol, Sweet Almond (Prunus Amygdalus Dulcis) Oil, Phenoxyethanol, Methylparaben, Propylparaben, Cetyl Alcohol, Guar (Cyamopsis Tetragonoloba) Gum, Citric Acid, TEA Dodecylbenzenesulfonate, Fragrance.

Well I'd say there's quite a bit of oils and emollients in there.....certainly throws my theory out the window. :confused:


I think Rick's idea of using a tonic is a good one :D

Drinking enough water? Vitamins?

[rick]

Well I'd say there's quite a bit of oils and emollients in there.....certainly throws my theory out the window. :confused:


I think Rick's idea of using a tonic is a good one :D

Drinking enough water? Vitamins?



:eek:

[Bronco]

:eek:

:D
OK, water intake and vitamins are good.
I've been using American Crew pomade. The ingredients are:
Water, PEG 25 Hydrogenated Castor Oil (Castor Bean), Oleth 10, Lanolin, Oleth 20, Diisopropyl Dimer Dilonoleate, Glycerin (Coconut Oil), Hydroxypropyl Distearyldimonium Chloride, Alcohol (Mixed Grain), Ginseng (Panax Ginseng) Extract (Ginseng Roots), Sage (Salvia Officinalis) Extract (Sage Leaves), Quillaja Saponaria Extract (Panama Bark), PVP, Propylene Glycol, Methylparaben, Propylparaben, Diazolidinyl Urea, Benzoic Acid

Are there any "Tonic" recommendations?

[rick]

So far Ive only tried these:
Pashana Blue orchid and Eau de Quinine.
They work well but I think you may need a product that is more moisturizing.
I believe the Pashana Original has glycerin in there, so that may be something to look at.
Call Charles at www.qedusa.com (http://www.qedusa.com) and talk to the man.
He carries these products and others that might be able to help.
I'm sure he will have some good advice for you.

[IsaacRN]

I have to ring in here and say that Issy's soap is great on the hair. I was always taught that bar soap dries out the hair and scalp. I was quite shocked when Issy said to use it on my head. I occasionally suffer from dry scalp as well. Let me tell you that since ive been using Issy's on my head..i havent itched up there at all. I would recommend that. The coconut oil that Issy recommends would also give you a moisturizing boost.

[moviemaniac]

I had to read this one 2X. I thought you said I had a superfatted head! :D
:rofl :rofl :rofl

and, by the way: I'm also a fan of AC's pomade :D

[madmedic]

I have a dry scalp and short hair.....I find that Olive Oil soap works perfectly:D

[zirvan]

I find when my scalp is very dry, I work a palm full of straight olive oil or coconut oil in my hair for 20 min before getting in the shower. As a preventative, sometimes I'll squirt a few drops into my palm and then my regular amount of shampoo

[JayKay]

I have the same problem. I buzz my hair and in the winter my scalp gets beyond dry and starts to flake and hurt. It helps to slather some conditioner all over the scalp and leave it there for the duration of the shower. If that isnt enough, I'll do a half an hour oil rub and thats taken care of it at the worst of times. Just shower and wash it out after.

[moviemaniac]

Has anyone tried to mix shampoo with OO yet for combined application? I don't know if I've given this advice before, but stay CLEAR of shampoos containing SLS and/or SLES, these surfactants will dry your skin very badly.

[JayKay]

I have not but I dont know how well that would work. Soap tends to work by forming a hydrophobic ring around dirt that can than be washed away with the dirt. I would have to assume that shampoo works the same way and I feel that the shampoo may just encompass the oils and wash them away/keep them from being effective. I would probably go with the oil first and than wash it off.

[Eagle]

Didn't see it mentioned so will throw out for your consideration: Tea Tree by Paul Mitchell. It's on the pricey side but you don't need much. A dime or nickle size dolop lathers up nicely. It's got that nice eucalyptus, mentholy tingle going on. I used to have a dry, itchy scalp too but no more. I've used this exclusively for 13 years on the advice of a hair stylist friend of mine. Me likey.

[IsaacRN]

I actually had pretty dry scalp...not dandruff....

Two Words: CLUBMAN PINAUD Great stuff

[herzi]

Steve, I read some of the ingredients your shampoo has. It reminds me to my situation. But I'm allergic to Phenoxyethanol. I had the same problems.
Are you using a bar soap for showering? Perhaps you don't know you have an allergic.
My way is to use a mild shampoo and a tonic afterwards.
Unfortunately I can only speak for the products in Germany. I know a Tonic from Tabac Original for dry hair,
http://www.tabac-original.de/images/Gruppe%20Hair%20Lotion%20Oil.jpg
but I haven't used it yet.
This one maght work for you too
http://www.germandeli.com/klha75.html
But the main ingredient Paraffinum liquidum is not the best.
Most of the time I use Seborin. A german classic
http://www.seborin.de/_pic/produkte/haarwasser_g.gif

I can't use bar soap for my hair on a regular basis. Otherwise I get dandruffs

[Issy]

1/4 of apple cider vinegar mixed with a cup of water as a rinse will stop the itch, it will also remove leftover soaps and rinses...plus the vinegar scent wont stay either ( I do add a drop of EO to mine and only use it once or twice a mo.

[moviemaniac]

Thanks for the recipe, Issy!