SER Trial Pass-Around

[xChris]

OK... I have been considering this for weeks now. I kept seeing forumites comment about wanting to try straight edge razor (SER) shaving, but having reservations about the start. As a SER shaver myself, I can understand the dilemma of justifying the upfront expensive of items that you may decide aren't for you.

Therefore, I decided to assemble some of my extra equipment into a "pass-around" kit for the TSD forumites to get their feet wet with in SER shaving. Since most of us are already accomplished DE users (having all the other stuff with which to shave with), the package will include a couple of strops (Dovo 2in. hanging w/linen + TM travel paddle strop) and a couple of razors (shave ready + sterilized). See the below photo for an example.

I have discussed this with a couple of other forumites already to guage potential response (their enthusiasm seems like this will be a fun opportunity), and they are the first two participants.

[For the TSD Moderator(s) and Benefactor(s) -- please delete this thread and notify me if this pass-around offer is against your policy.]

So how's it gonna work? Here's the rules:


Participant agrees to pay insured shipping to them, and insured shipping back to me. (participant will be notified of cost before payment and shipment)
Participant agrees to post a message upon receipt and mailing of package to help track the package (and transit time between locations)
Participant can keep and use the equipment for 1 month after receipt to evaluate their further interest in SER shaving
Participant agrees to cover excessive damage to equipment (small nicks in the strop are one thing, but slicing a piece out of it, or a broken razor scale is quite another)
All maintenance of equipment will be handled by me after return, and prior to shipment to the next participant


If you're interested, PM me or reply in the thread. This is my first time heading up a project like this on a forum, so bear with me as adjustments to the above are [possibly] made. Payment for shipment can be made via PayPal (PM me for my PayPal address), money order, or personal check (for MO & PC, payment must clear before shipping).


Here is the list of participants so far:


TraderJoe
Jim
Sparky5693
Baloosh
Mottern Man
Issy
TOB9595
Baron
JayKay

[Scorpio]

Excellent idea!!!!!!!! I am at work at the moment but when I get to the house I will make this a sticky.

Chris, I would also suggest that the recipient post a message upon receipt and mailing of package that way it will help you track transit time between their location and yours. Also being a sticky the user can post his experiences with the razors.

For the SER noobs this is a great opportunity to explore and get the feel of the shave. Thank you for making such an opportunity available to the members of The Shave Den.

Raf

[msandoval858]

:signs107 Definately a great idea! Many thanks to you for extending this opportunity to those interested in trying the straight.

[Jim]

Chris
what a great Idea as well as generous with your gear and time!

I wanted to try a regular straight but did not want to start from scratch.

I would love to give it a go.

Let me know if there is anything I could give you a hand with this project.

[xChris]

Chris, I would also suggest that the recipient post a message upon receipt and mailing of package that way it will help you track transit time between their location and yours.

A very good suggestion, Raf, THANKS! I am adding it to the rules list.

[xChris]

Gentlemen,

Thank you for the kind comments and words of encouragement!

Here is the list of participants so far:


TraderJoe
Jim
Mottern Man

[xChris]

Added payment methods.

Told you I wasn't used to doing this. :o :D

[Jim]

Added payment methods.

Told you I wasn't used to doing this. :o :D

Well- you are doing pretty Damm good!:D

[TraderJoe]

Chris - U DA MAN!~

PM Sent

Thanks for making this opportunity a reality :happy088

[Mottern Man]

Chris - U DA MAN!~

PM Sent

Thanks for making this opportunity a reality :happy088

Make sure you post your progress.

I want a time line, charts, and lessons learned on my desk NLT 15 June.

[Baloosh]

Count me in, if a spot's still available.

[PalmettoB]

Chris, a most generous and well-designed offer. :signs107 Anybody wanting to try out straight shaving should jump all over this with both feet!!

[xChris]

Count me in, if a spot's still available.

Jason--
You were one of the guys that I recall considering SER shaving, but couldn't remember your UserID :o . Glad you found my thread! Plenty of room, so you're on the list.

Original post updated at this time.

Current List:

TraderJoe
Jim
Mottern Man
Sparky5693
Baloosh

[xChris]

There has been some discussion about me assuming too much risk in this venture. So, at this time, no more participants will be added to the list. Not really too much of a concern, since the wait is now at ~3 months anyway.

I have assembled two sets that will go out to Joe & Jim under the rules as stated above. I will continue to refine the pass-around rules to help those interested or curious about SER shaving, and to afford me some protection of my investment.

Rest assured, that I plan to continue this on, and will figure out a way to do it that is acceptable to the parrticipants.

[SSLSTudio...]

Chris im just Awed with your generosity about doing this.

My hat off to you Gentleman ! ::angelic004

I would advice to those who begin stropping go bloody real SLOW ! a straight is extreme sharp its not a toy Im glad I could start on a paddlestrop which made it easier to get the motion control into my system. At one point ill get a better hanging strop with linnen on the other side and even then ill get a practise strop aswell.

This will be fun watching how the participants go about.......

[xChris]

First two trial sets are enroute to TJ & Jim!

Good luck gentlemen. Remember to post when you receive the packages.

Feel free to post photos, reviews, and opinions in this thread. Don't forget the SOS photos too. :D

[PalmettoB]

Mwahahaha....resistance is futile. You will be assimilated.

Lather, strop, lather, shave...repeat. :D

[xChris]

Will,

If you've been paying attention, we can start working on what your trial set will have in it. :cool: ;)

[qhsdoitall]

Very generous and nice offer Chris. I already have a str8 so, I'm going to bite the bullet and pick up a strop to go with it. Where were you about a month ago? :D

[xChris]

Very generous and nice offer Chris. I already have a str8 so, I'm going to bite the bullet and pick up a strop to go with it. Where were you about a month ago? :D

Sorry, I wasn't more decisive. :o I'm sure you know the usual suspects for a strop -- right!?!? Oh, and maybe the budding leather worker around here too. ;)

What razor do you have? I think you should post along here with the participants on your new experiences.

[qhsdoitall]

Any help or advise I can get will be appreciated. I'll post my experiences. As far as leather working, I'll leave that up to you guys.

If I need something made out of leather I have about 4-5 manufacturers that can make custom saddlery & tack for me you wouldn't believe. Now for a strop, I think could have made something like a latigo/natural 24"/2" strop with stainless hardware and a handle covered with braided flat rawhide and a horsehair knotted tassel? :D I just thought of that design. I bet they could even put tiny sterling silver or silver overlay corner plates on it.

[johnniegold]

That is just unbelieveably a generous offer. When it goes back up to a new sign up, I'm in.

[xChris]

Any help or advise I can get will be appreciated. I'll post my experiences. As far as leather working, I'll leave that up to you guys.

If I need something made out of leather I have about 4-5 manufacturers that can make custom saddlery & tack for me you wouldn't believe. Now for a strop, I think could have made something like a latigo/natural 24"/2" strop with stainless hardware and a handle covered with braided flat rawhide and a horsehair knotted tassel? :D I just thought of that design. I bet they could even put tiny sterling silver or silver overlay corner plates on it.

Ooh -- that does sound nice!

That is just unbelieveably a generous offer. When it goes back up to a new sign up, I'm in.

RGRG

[TraderJoe]

First, I'd like to extend a HUGE "Thank You" to Chris, for allowing me to use his straight razor equipment....truly a very generous offer, from a very generous man.

I have just today received my kit,

http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u239/TraderJoe_album/SERTrial051107.jpg

Now I have this incredible tools to use for a month, but I wasn't wasting any time so I went and took a shave, to wipe out any 5 o'clock shadow that was creeping up:

http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u239/TraderJoe_album/SERnumberone.jpg

Well, the end result was glorious, I had a great shave. I was anxious during the shave, and realize that I will need to take my time going forward but am very happy with the results. Although its not visible (even in person) I did manage to chew up my skin a little and it burns a bit, but that was nothing a half-bottle of velva and a slathering of Anherb conditioner couldn't clear right up.

Here's a pic after the shave, numb/high on menthol and BBS.

http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u239/TraderJoe_album/afterSERone.jpg

Nobody around to take the pic, so you can't see much.....but what you won't find is so much as a trace of a whisker :happy001

[Mottern Man]

You must of had too much menthol today all you had to do was hold the camera away from your face point and click

Remind me never to take you Hunting their Dick Cheney. :rofl

Good goin bro. Now hurry up with them muthas so I can get a work out.:D

[qhsdoitall]

You must of had too much menthol today all you had to do was hold the camera away from your face point and click

Remind me never to take you Hunting their Dick Cheney. :rofl

Good goin bro. Now hurry up with them muthas so I can get a work out.:D

:rofl :rofl Nice going on the shave Joe! I'm waiting on mine to come back from honing.

[xChris]

Alright!!! The package got there faster than I was expecting. I hope Jim's is right behind yours.

I'm glad you went with one of the round points first. The spike point that you have is seriously sharp/pointy. My first shave with it produced nice vertical red lines on my neck after the shave. So, I'd leave that one alone for a couple of weeks while you get the mechanics down with the other two.

About the razor burn, there are two things that come to my mind:


Too much pressure. Use "confident" strokes, but maintain the weight similar to a DE.
Too obtuse of a shaving angle. The default usually mentioned is 30 degrees, but can result in some scraping rather than cutting. Use an acuter angle, and see if that improves the shaving/cutting performance. For all of those razors, use less than two widths of the spine from your cheek.


Finally, congratulations on your first SER shave. Despite the razor burn, you apparently got a good shave for that first time. If this is any indication, your learning curve should be fairly fast. I look forward to reading about your progress.

[Queen of Blades]

Nice robe, Joe!

Oh, and congrats on the shave! :cool:

[Scorpio]

Nice going Joe!!! but for heaven's sake put some clothes on!!!!!!:rofl

Ok, for the second shave stay focused as if this was yours first. Over confidence and complacency are your enemies. Reduce the angle on the blade as Chris described and the shave should be nice and smooth, reduce the pressure a bit let the edge do the work. The stroke is confident and sure. Be mindful of the tip but don't worry if you don't, she will remind you.;) Find your own rithym, this is not fast nor slow just yours. It is similar to what athletes know as being "in the zone". It is very relaxing.

Congrats on your shave and many more!!!

oh I almost forgot. Take a picture of yourself and keep handy for the plastic surgeon:D

Raf

[Mottern Man]

oh I almost forgot. Take a picture of yourself and keep handy for the plastic surgeon:D



Don't worry about that, I will do the work for free!

All I need is a bottle of booze and some staples.

[moviemaniac]

Congratulations on your first straight-razor-shave, Joe, seems like you've enjoyed it ::

[TraderJoe]

Ok, for the second shave stay focused as if this was yours first. Over confidence and complacency are your enemies. Reduce the angle on the blade as Chris described and the shave should be nice and smooth, reduce the pressure a bit let the edge do the work. The stroke is confident and sure. Be mindful of the tip but don't worry if you don't, she will remind you.;) Find your own rithym, this is not fast nor slow just yours. It is similar to what athletes know as being "in the zone". It is very relaxing.


Thank you! Sounds like solid advice. And I will definitely be sticking to the round-tip razors for at least a week. The one with a point looks like a weapon. :eek:

[Jim]

I am happy to report The kit from Chris arrived today and its such a nice outfit! The razors are the sharpest thing I have ever held!

[xChris]

WOO HOO! Shave on!

Let's see how loose that goose is when the straight's up on the throat. ;) :D

[qhsdoitall]

WOO HOO! Shave on!

Let's see how loose that goose is when the straight's up on the throat. ;) :D


Nice! Make him nervous! :D

[Jim]

WOO HOO! Shave on!

Let's see how loose that goose is when the straight's up on the throat. ;) :D

Nice! Make him nervous! :D

Great!


Report-

I am alive and not injured in any way!

Note that I have been shaving with a feather AC on and off for almost a year so thats my point of reference.

I lightly stropped the razor 15X prepped my beard XXXX-careful, locked the shave den door and whipped up a super lather with my big Rooneymac with Provence Sante and Penhaligons cream slick and cushion-y.
Not good:mad: The razor was pulling and not cutting easily. I do understand that I have to push through the beard with a straight but the blade was not as sharp as a feather AC or a DE. I got through the shave OK no real damage but my face is just a little sore.

Whats your thoughts men?

[xChris]

Hmm... Well, I'm confident that the Filarmonica was sufficiently sharp, so I'm thinking your angle was too acute to start out with. The significant amount of pulling is an indicator of this.

Since you started with a Feather AC, you may be used to having it right next to your face/skin, and the blades are super thin comparitively. So, lean the Filarmonica out just a little at a time for the next couple of shaves to get a feel for improvement or not. The Filly also has a gentle smile to it which is good for scything motion; lead with the toe of the razor, and sweep the blade across your cheek -- ear to chin & cheek bone to jaw bone (the smile will keep the heel from digging in).

There's been some talk recently by a seasoned SER shaver about the disadvantage of no coatings on SER blades, not to mention the sheer size of the cutting surface. I tend to agree that this will lead to a significant difference in feel, especially for DE users with superior technique.

This last suggestion is for both you & TJ. While some say they get a great shave in one pass, I still do reduction passes to minimize razor burn. I don't try to take it all out at once, but use WTG/XTG/ATG for BBS.

[Baloosh]

Sweet. Sounds like you had a good go of it. Congrats! (I asked how it went in the SOS thread, so ignore that question... hadn't read this thread's updates yet)

I can't wait for my turn to try these... I'll be a complete newb.... have to learn how to strop AND how to shave with a straight... all at the same time! :eek:

Any tips for stropping?

[Scorpio]

I agree with Chris. Lean the blade a little more and it should cut better. Then again you may have some serious stubble and a heavier blade or a wedge might be better for you. But before we get there, lean the blade just a tad more and see what happens. I also do reduction passes much as if I was shaving with a DE. I am usually done in 2 -3 passes with a little touch up.

I would love to give that Filly a ride or two myself!!!:D

Enjoy

Raf

[bearbeard]

Nice!!! Hey Joe, I think I can see some menthol vapors in that pic!!

[SSLSTudio...]

Very impressive show Joe you jumped in both feet wet as we say here .
pretty good to enjoy a full shave with the straight... fast learner im not surprised though.

:signs107

[xChris]

I can't wait for my turn to try these... I'll be a complete newb.... have to learn how to strop AND how to shave with a straight... all at the same time! :eek:

Any tips for stropping?

I'm trying to keep the kits stocked with a paddle & hanging strops for trying out. I recommend starting with the paddle first, then move to the hanger.

Light pressure -- enough to keep the blade (spine & edge) flat on the strop. Move the blade across the strop leading with the spine, and use an X pattern to touch the entire edge along the strop. Flip the blade over on the spine, and come back to other way with the same amount of pressure.

Remember, start slow, and learn how the move the blade first, then build up speed from there. Like has been mentioned, don't pay attention to the movies (poor techniques used). You have to find your own rhythm.

[Jim]

Report # 2

On your advice Chris I increased the angle of attack, The further I took the blade off my face the more it pulled.:mad:

I used my DE with a feather for a full pass then went back to the Straight for 2 across and one against. The straight cut much better after the first reduction pass.

I got a very nice close shave this way- does this give you any clues as to why I am having trouble initially ?

Thanks again.

[xChris]

OK -- this may sound silly, but go the other way -- lying it closer to your face. Maybe, in fact, you were also scraping (like TJ) more than cutting? Also try the scything motion, and see if that helps cut through the longer, thicker growth.

Keep trying! The SER vets around here should be able to get this corrected soon.

[PalmettoB]

Glad to see everyone survived and is progressing! Just stay focused and the shaves will get better. ;)

Jim, I find the same thing that Chris is telling you when I shave. If I keep the spine too far from my face, it just pulls and burns. You don't want to get so close with the spine that you end up slicing skin, but you probably want to go much less than the thirty-degree angle and see if that works better.

[Scorpio]

Report # 2

On your advice Chris I increased the angle of attack, The further I took the blade off my face the more it pulled.:mad: Thanks again.

Jim,

go the other way decrease the angle. Lay the blade flat on your face then lift the spine about one spine width and start. Too much angle and you will be scrapping your mug, like the pulling feeling that got worst!!!

Raf

[TraderJoe]

Gentlemens, I shaved the last 3 days with the straights, but I wouldn't call them shaves...but massacres.

I have to regroup and build a strategy, but I think my initial success "beginner's luck" was due to lack of growth (as it was a second shave for that day).

I also had the pulling and skipping that Jim notes, and I will take heed the advice of fellas here on angle. I have to admit, at times I had the spine perpendicular to my skin :eek: Don't know how or why it got to that, but sloppy technique is to blame...thats for sure.

I have been nursing my face with velva, anherb, and aloe gel......and despite the trouble, I STILL definitely look better than the bums walking around Chicago with 4 days worth of growth :happy001

[crackstar]

:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl Joe, you look a hell of a lot better than a lot of shaven Montrealers I can think of, believe me, buddy!

[TraderJoe]

Thanks Jeff! I appreciate that :D :happy001

[crackstar]

it's amazing how the majority of good wetshaving products sold here in Montreal are bought by tourists who come here, not by Montrealers. Most of this city's inhabitants are happy shaving the "other way", meaning Mach 3, gunk from a can, or (gulp) electric! :( :( ::ban ::ban

[Mottern Man]

it's amazing how the majority of good wetshaving products sold here in Montreal are bought by tourists who come here, not by Montrealers. Most of this city's inhabitants are happy shaving the "other way", meaning Mach 3, gunk from a can, or (gulp) electric! :( :( ::ban ::ban

Good products??? what do you got? :D

[Scorpio]

Gentlemens, I shaved the last 3 days with the straights, but I wouldn't call them shaves...but massacres.

I have to regroup and build a strategy, but I think my initial success "beginner's luck" was due to lack of growth (as it was a second shave for that day).

I also had the pulling and skipping that Jim notes, and I will take heed the advice of fellas here on angle. I have to admit, at times I had the spine perpendicular to my skin :eek: Don't know how or why it got to that, but sloppy technique is to blame...thats for sure.

I have been nursing my face with velva, anherb, and aloe gel......and despite the trouble, I STILL definitely look better than the bums walking around Chicago with 4 days worth of growth :happy001

Be careful my friend we do not want that blade skipping!!!!!! or we will have to change your name to Faceless Joe, Lipless Joe, Earless Joe, Cheekless Joe, Noseless Joe, Facial Rescontruction by Mottern Man Joe:D :D

Raf

[PalmettoB]

Gentlemens, I shaved the last 3 days with the straights, but I wouldn't call them shaves...but massacres.

I have to regroup and build a strategy, but I think my initial success "beginner's luck" was due to lack of growth (as it was a second shave for that day).

Joe, I think we call that "survivor's joy." :rofl Seriously, you are so happy you didn't cut off anything necessary that you consider it a success, and then when you need to shave again, you really start to think about a good shave, and then it doesn't seem to measure up.

I have been at this for about two months now, and just this week I have gotten what I consider consistent results, using both WTG and ATG passes. I have been using four different razors, each with slightly different characteristics, but I just now feel like I am starting to be consistent. I have also gotten to the point that a straight shave really doesn't take any longer than a DE shave, so I feel like I am making progress!

Hang in there, Joe and Jim. Once you get to the point of consistency, you may never look back! Keep letting us know how it's going!

[xChris]

Okay -- let's talk about some more basics then.

First, have both of you read The Art of The Straight Razor Shave, A Basic Guide (http://www.shavemyface.com/downloads/The-Straight-Razor-Shave.pdf), by Dr. Moss (especially within 24hrs of the first shaves)?

Next, are you adequately stretching the skin to shave with an SER? Remember that a SER is much thicker than DE blades, and doesn't have the advantage of coatings to improve/reduce friction. When using a DE, you can get away with facial contortions alone -- not so with a SER.

Again, and like everyone is saying, keep at it. It will come together eventually, and you may be surprised when it does.

[xChris]

Okay, Jim, I saw you switched to the Torrey 9/16, quarter-hollow grind for Day #3 (17 May 07). Any better result with the smaller blade or heavier grind?

[Jim]

report 3

I have to say Chris that I am very discouraged, I made 4 passes and it was very uncomfortable. My beard is very heavy, I cannot go ATG with a feather DE that has 2 shaves on it.

I will give it a couple more shaves and see how it goes, I don't want to quit too soon.
Thanks for all the advice and encouragement.

[crackstar]

well, Will, you can buy AOS, or DR Harris, or C&E stuff here, plus a few other nice brands, as well as straights, and DE's and blades. The problem is, most Montrealers choose not to partake of these good things. Ah, well, that's their choice, right?

[Scorpio]

report 3

I have to say Chris that I am very discouraged, I made 4 passes and it was very uncomfortable. My beard is very heavy, I cannot go ATG with a feather DE that has 2 shaves on it.

I will give it a couple more shaves and see how it goes, I don't want to quit too soon.
Thanks for all the advice and encouragement.

I think you might need a wedge. Wedges are way too much for my face as my beard is not heavy. Or maybe a 7/8 with a little weight behind it. Hang in there Jim we can work this out.
.
I'll try to find a wedge, hone it and send it your way.

[Jim]

I think you might need a wedge. Wedges are way too much for my face as my beard is not heavy. Or maybe a 7/8 with a little weight behind it. Hang in there Jim we can work this out.
.
I'll try to find a wedge, hone it and send it your way.

Thanks for the continuing encouragement,I used my feather straight today and got a comfortable great BBS shave in 4 passes.

[xChris]

I think you might need a wedge. Wedges are way too much for my face as my beard is not heavy. Or maybe a 7/8 with a little weight behind it. Hang in there Jim we can work this out.
.
I'll try to find a wedge, hone it and send it your way.

Thanks for the continuing encouragement,I used my feather straight today and got a comfortable great BBS shave in 4 passes.

If Raf doesn't have one available, then I've got some I can send. I would have hoped that the Filarmonica was heavy (weight) enough.

Jim, how much are you stropping? Which strop are you using? You stated before, "15X lightly." Maybe the stropping isn;t enough to sufficiently prepare the edge for the shaves?

Does anyone else think the straights that I sent out just aren't sharp enough? It's certainly possible, but I would hope that I know what "sharp" is in this case. I did test shave with them before shipping, and they were fine for me.

[Scorpio]

Chris,

if you have one ready go ahead send it to Jim. I would need to find one and hone it. I'm going to try to make a video on stroping together with Mike today. I have a couple of his razors I have to return after getting them honed. Maybe, if he has the time we can put a little something together on stroping. I'll call him to make sure.

Raf

[xChris]

Okay Jim, I'm up!

So, I need some feedback from you on what were the best characterstics of the two razors that you've used. I have a few wedges that I can send, and need to know where to stop in size. I'm also thinking of sending another hollow-grind razor just for experimentation/confirmation with your beard (of course, that's if you're willing).

Standing by for info...


For TraderJoe--
How's the healing? Any issues with the razors thus far, or is it just perfecting your technique with the new tools?

[Jim]

Okay Jim, I'm up!

So, I need some feedback from you on what were the best characterstics of the two razors that you've used. I have a few wedges that I can send, and need to know where to stop in size. I'm also thinking of sending another hollow-grind razor just for experimentation/confirmation with your beard (of course, that's if you're willing).

Standing by for info...


For TraderJoe--
How's the healing? Any issues with the razors thus far, or is it just perfecting your technique with the new tools?


Chris they both pulled and irritated my face. The first shave I only stropped 15x( Strap) you had just sent it, so I did not think it needed a lot of work. for the 2nd shave I used the paddle and the strap and gave it a good 30-40 X same result.
They arrived wrapped well and I can not see them having been jostled too much in shipping.

[xChris]

Jim,

I'm gonna send three different razors -- two will be wedges to see if that improves the cutting performance like Raf mentioned.

Just to cover the bases, can you describe your stropping? Was there any sag in the hanging strop, or was it held tightly? Did you use the linen/canvas at all? How much pressure did you use -- "none at all" or with some feeling of drag? I'm thinking that you might need a little heavier action on the stropping to prepare the razor, especially with your particular beard.

[xChris]

Jim,

Just another thought that I've had about your situation...

Can you describe the differences in your technique between using your Feather AC and the traditional straight razors -- speed of strokes, angle of the blade, pressure, etc?

[TraderJoe]

Standing by for info...


For TraderJoe--
How's the healing? Any issues with the razors thus far, or is it just perfecting your technique with the new tools?

:o Actually, I think the problem was that I didn't strop the blade at all.....before any of the shaves. could that be it?

I'm ready to go tomorrow morning with a straight razor shave, 98% healed as of this minute ::

[Baloosh]

:o Actually, I think the problem was that I didn't strop the blade at all.....before any of the shaves. could that be it?


Well no freakin' wonder! :eek: :eek:

At least that's a totally fixable problem. Now you should get BBS in one pass!! ;)

[TraderJoe]

Well no freakin' wonder! :eek: :eek:

At least that's a totally fixable problem. Now you should get BBS in one pass!! ;)

Ya Live and Learn :D

[Jim]

Jim,

I'm gonna send three different razors -- two will be wedges to see if that improves the cutting performance like Raf mentioned.

Just to cover the bases, can you describe your stropping? Was there any sag in the hanging strop, or was it held tightly? Did you use the linen/canvas at all? How much pressure did you use -- "none at all" or with some feeling of drag? I'm thinking that you might need a little heavier action on the stropping to prepare the razor, especially with your particular beard.

Jim,

Just another thought that I've had about your situation...

Can you describe the differences in your technique between using your Feather AC and the traditional straight razors -- speed of strokes, angle of the blade, pressure, etc?


Chris
I did not use the canvas side at all The strop was taught and the blade was ...well.. stropped. ...with some pressure. I have used a strop before in my dads wood shop.

I am not sure what I can say about technique, I am slow but comfortable with the feather straight. the traditional straight was so uncomfortable that I did not have a technique.

[Mottern Man]

:o Actually, I think the problem was that I didn't strop the blade at all.....before any of the shaves. could that be it?

I'm ready to go tomorrow morning with a straight razor shave, 98% healed as of this minute ::

:rolleyes: Lay off the booze while SER shaving Joe. :rofl

[xChris]

Chris
I did not use the canvas side at all The strop was taught and the blade was ...well.. stropped. ...with some pressure. I have used a strop before in my dads wood shop.

I am not sure what I can say about technique, I am slow but comfortable with the feather straight. the traditional straight was so uncomfortable that I did not have a technique.

Jim,

Thanks for the reply -- not trying to badger you (HA!). I'm just trying to figure out where something might be fixed that will lead to better shaves.

Since you've had good results with the Feather, I was hoping there would be something obviously different that is affecting performance. In any case, the replacements will be enroute shortly.

[Scorpio]

Ok,

we have not heard from you guys for a while. It is time for an update on your shaves!!!!!

Let's hear it!!!!!

Raf

[xChris]

I finally got three different razors off to Jim as replacements for the current ones. Two wedges and another hollow-ground razor (sharpened by Bill Ellis). I hope these help Jim with his SER experience.

[Jim]

Checking the mailbox hourly!

[PalmettoB]

Better look tomorrow! Today's a holiday. :rofl (Course, I'm waiting on an Ebay str8 myself, so the mail better get here quick tomorrow!)

[TraderJoe]

Ok,

we have not heard from you guys for a while. It is time for an update on your shaves!!!!!

Let's hear it!!!!!

Raf

Well, a few "things" happened recently and I just haven't been able to focus on it.....but I have been shaving (just with a DE).

Going to give it a go again, I have a feeling it may help to strop these puppies :rolleyes:

[qhsdoitall]

Keep going guys. I know you can do it. I have another str8 coming in shortly so with 2 to try and my horsehide strop here, (Wait, maybe I could have just run the str8 back and forth across my horse) :rofl I can start to try using a str8 in earnest.

[Scorpio]

I am also waiting for a couple of blades. I hear there is a Filly coming my way!! Can't wait to try it.


Raf

[qhsdoitall]

I am also waiting for a couple of blades. I hear there is a Filly coming my way!! Can't wait to try it.


Raf

You scared me there for a moment. I thought you were getting a horse. :rofl Then I realized it was a Filarmonica str8. :D

[xChris]

OK -- seeing some references to this thread, so giving it an update...

Doc--
I will move you down the list due to your pending travel.

Jim--
Replacement straights should be there any day now.

TJ--
Let's get some feedback on your problems. I'd like to help you make progress.

Overall, I think the pass-around is doing what it was suppose to. Although Jim & TJ may not end up getting into straights, they have also not had to invest in equipment that they wouldn't keep. I will say that their experience, so far, also reflects a comment by Joe Lerch that accomplished DE users (especially slant DE users) are some of the hardest individuals to "convert" to straight razor use. Their mastery with the DE reduces the tolerance to sub-par shaves while learning the different technique.

[qhsdoitall]

Well, we had to do that though with going from cartridge to DE. There was a learning curve and we probably beat our faces up in the process. I will say though that once you have achieved consistent really good results with anything it's hard to accept less. We can be pretty tough on ourselves. :D I'm certainly going to take a good shot at it but I have not invested a lot so, if I don't get into it, I won't lose much. I can always sell it close to what I paid and call it rental fees.

[Mottern Man]

Thanks Chris, saved me from PMing you. ::

[xChris]

...call it rental fees.

That comes to my mind too when thinking of this trial/pass-around.

[TraderJoe]

Overall, I think the pass-around is doing what it was suppose to.


I could not agree with you more! I would call it a 100% success!


Their mastery with the DE reduces the tolerance to sub-par shaves while learning the different technique.

Hmmm, I like the sound of that :rofl Yes, I am a "master" of the DE :D

I will type more on more failures later. I cut my finger with a scissor this morning and its difficult to type. :o

[Mottern Man]

I could not agree with you more! I would call it a 100% success!



Hmmm, I like the sound of that :rofl Yes, I am a "master" of the DE :D

I will type more on more failures later. I cut my finger with a scissor this morning and its difficult to type. :o


I can teach you how to do Sutures over the phone if you need it.

[qhsdoitall]

I will type more on more failures later. I cut my finger with a scissor this morning and its difficult to type. :o

Must be an omen. Stay away from the razor! :D

[PalmettoB]

I will say that their experience, so far, also reflects a comment by Joe Lerch that accomplished DE users (especially slant DE users) are some of the hardest individuals to "convert" to straight razor use. Their mastery with the DE reduces the tolerance to sub-par shaves while learning the different technique.

This was one of the biggest things I had to overcome in converting to straights. I mean, I was used to using a Fatboy on "9" so I was underwhelmed by my straight shaves.

But sharpening my own has given me an excuse to keep going, and I have four or five in a nice rotation now that give me good shaves consistently.

[xChris]

So... I know TJ is getting some tutoring on using the SERs... What's the status, my man?

Also, we may have three razors MIA. :( I am going to the P.O. to see what needs to be done next.

[Scorpio]

Chris,

I'm in Ft. Worth. I will ship the Filly and the Torrey back to you when I get back. I'll be sad to see the Torrey leave. Both great blades indeed. Thank you for the opportunity to use them.

Raf

[TraderJoe]

So... I know TJ is getting some tutoring on using the SERs... What's the status, my man?

Also, we may have three razors MIA. :( I am going to the P.O. to see what needs to be done next.

Well, its not a disaster by any means, thats for sure.

What I have been doing is using the straight on my cheeks and then a DE for everything else....and I think I will be getting a straight of my own eventually......but relegated to the weekends.

I have to stress/re-iterate how grateful I am for this opportunity. Chris, you are a Saint :D

Also, a huge Thanks to everybody for helping me out with advice and encouragement, I couldn't have done it without you ;)

I suppose I should start packing these goods up in the next couple days right?

[xChris]

Chris,

I'm in Ft. Worth. I will ship the Filly and the Torrey back to you when I get back. I'll be sad to see the Torrey leave. Both great blades indeed. Thank you for the opportunity to use them.

Raf
You're welcome, Raf! I really like that Torrey too. I got it for a good price on the "bay." Only did some polishing & honing on it too before use.

Well, its not a disaster by any means, thats for sure.

What I have been doing is using the straight on my cheeks and then a DE for everything else....and I think I will be getting a straight of my own eventually......but relegated to the weekends.



I have to stress/re-iterate how grateful I am for this opportunity. Chris, you are a Saint :D

Also, a huge Thanks to everybody for helping me out with advice and encouragement, I couldn't have done it without you ;)

I suppose I should start packing these goods up in the next couple days right?
I'm really glad to hear that the trial was a success from your perspective too, and you're most welcome. The fact that you'll get you own to continue is great news too.

Yeah, if you're satisfied with your trial -- go ahead & send them back. Will can't get his kit until yours comes back. :p :D Was one month a sufficient amount of time?

[Mottern Man]

You're welcome, Raf! I really like that Torrey too. I got it for a good price on the "bay." Only did some polishing & honing on it too before use.


I'm really glad to hear that the trial was a success from your perspective too, and you're most welcome. The fact that you'll get you own to continue is great news too.

Yeah, if you're satisfied with your trial -- go ahead & send them back. Will can't get his kit until yours comes back. :p :D Was one month a sufficient amount of time?

Skip me until August. I wont be around in July.

[xChris]

Skip me until August. I wont be around in July.

D'Oh! Thart's what I upated the list already for.

OK, so it's Sparky that's on the bubble? Any requests for gear in your trial kit, Sparky? Reply here, or send a PM.

[sparky5693]

Considering I wouldn't know really what to ask for, I think i'll give "the nod" to whatever you decide to send.

[TraderJoe]

Was one month a sufficient amount of time?

Absolutely. Perfect actually.....not too short, not to long :happy088

[xChris]

Considering I wouldn't know really what to ask for, I think i'll give "the nod" to whatever you decide to send.

OK -- I'll send you a mix of sizes, points, and (hopefully) grinds along with the strops. I'll PM you when the package is ready.

Absolutely. Perfect actually.....not too short, not to long :happy088

Good -- thanks for the feedback!

[xChris]

Jim dropped me a PM that the wedge straight razors made it! :happy093

So, all razors are accounted for at this time. I asked Jim to use these razors for a couple of weeks to see if the wedge profile improves his experience.

[Jim]

Ok
Any suggestions where to start?

http://www.theshaveden.com/forum/vbpgimage.php?do=full&p=131&d=1182354560

[xChris]

Use the one in the middle of your photo first, then the bottom one, and finally the top one.

For the wedges (top & bottom razors), I find they feel similar (touching & drag) to a GEM razor with the contact of the blade next to the skin.

[Jim]

http://www.theshaveden.com/forum/vbpgimage.php?do=full&p=134&d=1182392134

Ok this seemed a bit sharper than the first two razors, but alas I could not get through a full pass until I did a reduction pass first with a DE.
Passes 2-3-4 with it were amazing. I am about as smooth as I have ever been.
The razor really sings when it cuts.

[Mottern Man]

It was not the Erasmic :rofl

Keep at it Goose, I am rooting for you.

[xChris]

Jim,

Interesting... That razor doesn't really make too much noise on my face, so you must have a really coarse beard. Maybe hollow ground blades are going to always be less than ideal for you. Hopefully the wedges will perform better for you.

Would it be possible for you to shave twice a day? I'm wondering if shaving in the morning with the DE, then in the evening with the straight will help your trial? Since you indicated, that you could shave after an initial reduction pass by DE, maybe the less amount of stubble at night will allow you to use the straights and try them out.

If you're able to do this, and the shaves are working out after the first week, then I'd try one of the wedges after a full day between shaves.

[Jim]

Shave 3 and I wish I could say it was better. Just about the same. I needed to do one with the grain then on to this razor.
This razor was definitly not as sharp as the other one and I spent some good time on the strop with it.

http://www.theshaveden.com/forum/vbpgimage.php?do=full&p=147&d=1182652976

Just for fun I took this photo of my beard-

http://www.theshaveden.com/forum/vbpgimage.php?do=full&p=148&d=1182653013


And after
http://www.theshaveden.com/forum/vbpgimage.php?do=full&p=149&d=1182654281

[Baloosh]

That "after" pic looks pretty smooth to me, Jim. Crazy to see the different growth pattern in the "before" pic, on even such a small area of the face. Kinda cool...

[johnniegold]

Uh... Jim. Don't look now but your epidermis is showing.

[xChris]

Jim,

Sorry to hear that it's still going rough. On a positive note, you (we) now know to get razors only from established honemeisters, as you absolutely need the keenest of edges. The macro photos were stunning & startling all at once. :D



For everyone--
I will be doing some temporary duties away from my usual station and home. So, you may not see me active around here as much. However, I will be checking e-mails (as much as possible), so fire away through the forum's e-mail feature.

My wife is also going to help keep the shipment of SER trials going while I'm out & about. Will keep all posted.

[Jim]

Jim,

Sorry to hear that it's still going rough. On a positive note, you (we) now know to get razors only from established honemeisters, as you absolutely need the keenest of edges. The macro photos were stunning & startling all at once. :D



For everyone--
I will be doing some temporary duties away from my usual station and home. So, you may not see me active around here as much. However, I will be checking e-mails (as much as possible), so fire away through the forum's e-mail feature.

My wife is also going to help keep the shipment of SER trials going while I'm out & about. Will keep all posted.

Chris-
I hope you are OK with your 'temporary duties' Stay safe!

The Macro also is interesting in how much plumper/hydrated the skin looks after shaving and AS splash and balm.

[qhsdoitall]

Doesn't the before pic kind of like looking at a bunch of tubefex worms in the sand? :D

[Queen of Blades]

Doesn't the before pic kind of like looking at a bunch of tubefex worms in the sand? :D

I'm not sure what you are talking about, Rich, but it sounds about right. :signs113

[qhsdoitall]

I'm not sure what you are talking about, Rich, but it sounds about right. :signs113

Those are the little live worms you feed to tropical fish. I used to keep a tub of them in the fridge. When you dump some into your tank they burrow into the sand and gravel and kind of stick up.

[La Pedrera]

ok.. I'm hooked.. I would like to get into this to give it a try whenever I can get into the rotation.

I've been at Merkum Futur for about 1 week now.. and today had the nerve to try the 3rd pass ATG, but only on the cheeks.. still a bit aprehensive about going by the throat, but I've been rubbing my cheeks all day. :D

[PalmettoB]

ok.. I'm hooked.. I would like to get into this to give it a try whenever I can get into the rotation.

I've been at Merkum Futur for about 1 week now.. and today had the nerve to try the 3rd pass ATG, but only on the cheeks.. still a bit aprehensive about going by the throat, but I've been rubbing my cheeks all day. :D

Faceturbator! :rofl

[Jim]

I wanted to give a little update on the SER trial pass that Chris has so kindly included me in.

Unfortunately I could not get a real good shave with the straights by themselves, if I used my DE for a first pass or my feather straight on my first pass and then switched,then I got some of the best shaves in my life with them. Failure? no way! I learned a lot, got to shave with some great blades twice as old as me and learned how messed up the Postal system is!
I now know that straights are just "not for me".
I want to extend my thanks and admiration to Chris for this project and his service!

[xChris]

Thanks, Jim, for your kind words.

[PalmettoB]

Jim, you have a good attitude about it. Shaving with a straight has forced me to be more careful and observant about the angle of the blade and growth patterns of my beard than I was before. Even if the straight wasn't your thing, using one will help you get better DE shaves, too.

[xChris]

OK -- time to get this trial back up to speed...

I have completed maintenance on the kits, and will be shipping them out to Sparky5693 & Baloosh as soon as I've got their addresses. I hope to get them out on Monday with 7-10 day receipt after shipping.

[xChris]

Three kits enroute for Bobby, Jason, & Will. Good luck with your trials!

[Baloosh]

Hoooo-wahhhh! [/Al Pacino]

Rockin' like Dokken.

Thanks!

[Mottern Man]

Hoooo-wahhhh! [/Al Pacino]

Rockin' like Dokken.

Thanks!

Thanks a ton duder. Now I am going to have "Dream Warriors" stuck in my head all day.

[Baloosh]

Thanks a ton duder. Now I am going to have "Dream Warriors" stuck in my head all day.

laffo....

We're the DREAM... WARRIORS...

[minderasr]

Wow, Dokken fans? I thought I was the only one! Actually, I'm more of a George Lynch fan. Anyway, back to our normal program.

::git

[sparky5693]

Razors have arrived. I do however need some help already. It seems no matter what angle or pressure I use, I just can't get anything cut. My left cheek is on fire, and feels like it was never shaven, even though I made 5 passes.

[Mottern Man]

Razors have arrived. I do however need some help already. It seems no matter what angle or pressure I use, I just can't get anything cut. My left cheek is on fire, and feels like it was never shaven, even though I made 5 passes.
5? -:eek::eek:

[sparky5693]

I'm not kidding, it didn't seem to have cut anything... just gave me irritation.

[Mottern Man]

I'm not kidding, it didn't seem to have cut anything... just gave me irritation.

Sounds way diffrent form me, I am cutting too good.

[IsaacRN]

5 passes isnt good at all. Remember..let the weight of the razor do the work....make sure you dont press at all. 30 degrees is optimal. Did you strop before you shaved? How many blades did you get in the trial pass?

[sparky5693]

5 passes isnt good at all. Remember..let the weight of the razor do the work....make sure you dont press at all. 30 degrees is optimal. Did you strop before you shaved? How many blades did you get in the trial pass?

I tried with and without stropping. I tried pressure, I tried no pressure. Around the 30 degree mark I heard the almost whistle of the blade against my whiskers, but literally nothing was cut. I didn't even find stubble left overs on the razors (I tried both). I guess I need to keep practicing....

[IsaacRN]

Bad to say..but during the stropping you might have rolled the edge. This is all i could think that happened causing your problem. Maybe someone else can chime in on this.

[PalmettoB]

Bad to say..but during the stropping you might have rolled the edge. This is all i could think that happened causing your problem. Maybe someone else can chime in on this.

I'm afraid to say it, but that's what I thought, too. It sounds like you have a pretty dull razor.

[sparky5693]

I did try them without stropping first, I honestly noticed on difference stropped or not... Maybe I need to learn to strop...

[Mottern Man]

So am I stroping too much?

I probably just goofing up my Angle of Attack.

[IsaacRN]

Its not a matter of stropping to much.....

[IsaacRN]

What happens is.......Go for a slow storpping motiong..pull the strop TIGHT...like dont let any bending occur......let the weight of the blade be the only pressure you apply during the stropping. If you accidently push down or what not.....bam....edge is ruined. It happens to everyone. I think my own blade is suffering from it atm.

[Mottern Man]

The strop I have has a few lumps in it but I pull her pretty tight seems to go smooth.

[PalmettoB]

Well, they probably needed stropping after they were shipped, Bobby. The strop just puts that final keenness on the edge.

As far as technique, just make sure you pull the strop taut, so that it is flat like a carrier deck. Then lay the razor flat on the strop, both spine and edge always touching through the stroke. At the end of the stroke ("pulling" the razor so that the spine is the leading element), you roll the razor over on its back, and then "pull" the opposite direction. Always be sure the spine and edge are touching the strop through a stroke, and never sort of lift off the spine slightly at the end of a stroke.

I hope this sounds even remotely coherent. (Issac beat me to it.)

[Scorpio]

I did try them without stropping first, I honestly noticed on difference stropped or not... Maybe I need to learn to strop...

Can you cut any hair from your arm???

Place the blade flat on the strop. Pull the strop Taut. drag the blade spine leading slow away from you. Just before you reach the end stop, roll the blade on its back and again making sure it is flat and keeping the strop taut, drag towards you. Before you reach the end stop roll blade os its back and repeat, slowly speed is not important here, technique is. Use just enough pressure to keep the blade on the strop.

Raf

[sparky5693]

I will figure this out.

[PalmettoB]

Sorry, Bobby. Didn't mean to bombard you all at once. I think you are in good hands with Raf and Issac.

[sparky5693]

Can you cut any hair from your arm???

Place the blade flat on the strop. Pull the strop Taut. drag the blade spine leading slow away from you. Just before you reach the end stop, roll the blade on its back and again making sure it is flat and keeping the strop taut, drag towards you. Before you reach the end stop roll blade os its back and repeat, slowly speed is not important here, technique is. Use just enough pressure to keep the blade on the strop.

Raf

I can get it to shave my arm somewhat, but it's taking about 3 passes to make it smooth.

[sparky5693]

Sorry, Bobby. Didn't mean to bombard you all at once. I think you are in good hands with Raf and Issac.

Blair, I'll take all the help I can get. I certainly didn't fair to well on my own today, lol.

[IsaacRN]

If its taking 3 passes on an arm.....your edge is wrecked FO SHO

[sparky5693]

Repairable with a strop?

[IsaacRN]

I would think not. Needs to be Paste Stropped or Honed.

On a side note..noticed Will has his SOS saying he stropped the hell out of it. Alot of people at SRP suggest stropping before you shave. I had posted awhile ago....about stropping the night before, and the census was that you should strop before you shave....that if you do it the night before....you basically let the metal go back to the original state before you shave.

I have alot of knowledge of these things, yet im still very much learning myself. So if im wrong....please chime in.

[PalmettoB]

I would think not. Needs to be Paste Stropped or Honed.

On a side note..noticed Will has his SOS saying he stropped the hell out of it. Alot of people at SRP suggest stropping before you shave. I had posted awhile ago....about stropping the night before, and the census was that you should strop before you shave....that if you do it the night before....you basically let the metal go back to the original state before you shave.

I have alot of knowledge of these things, yet im still very much learning myself. So if im wrong....please chime in.
Sounds like you're right on, Issac.

[sparky5693]

I would think not. Needs to be Paste Stropped or Honed.

On a side note..noticed Will has his SOS saying he stropped the hell out of it. Alot of people at SRP suggest stropping before you shave. I had posted awhile ago....about stropping the night before, and the census was that you should strop before you shave....that if you do it the night before....you basically let the metal go back to the original state before you shave.

I have alot of knowledge of these things, yet im still very much learning myself. So if im wrong....please chime in.

I'm certainly gonna give this another go... I refuse to let this beat me.

[Mottern Man]

I stroped after and before the shave.

After to help dry the the razor and get the edge, before the shave just for good measure. Is that good or bad?

[IsaacRN]

its ok.....alot of peeps do it..

Just remember.......Doing it Right > Speed

[Scorpio]

Several experiments have been conducted in the area of stroping. to the best of my knowledge result are inconclusive in the area of before or after. As far as the number of laps is concern anything pass 30-40 on each side wont make a big difference if the blade is shave ready. Remember the strop just makes the blade ready and alings the edge, it does not sharpens, therefore maintaining the edge sharp and shave ready. It is difficult to tell if your edge is dull. I have brought back edges that seemed dull back to shave status with stroping so it may be not be a total loss yet.

One of the reasons for stroping after is to heat the edge of the blade so as to dry it and hence prevent rust from forming on the edge. It also realigns the micro serrations on the edge. I strop before and after 10 -15 laps. I have blades that I have been using for months without the need for refreshing on a hone. It can be done, there is no magic trick just learning the technique will do the trick.

Raf

[sparky5693]

Several experiments have been conducted in the area of stroping. to the best of my knowledge result are inconclusive in the area of before or after. As far as the number of laps is concern anything pass 30-40 on each side wont make a big difference if the blade is shave ready. Remember the strop just makes the blade ready and alings the edge, it does not sharpens, therefore maintaining the edge sharp and shave ready. It is difficult to tell if your edge is dull. I have brought back edges that seemed dull back to shave status with stroping so it may be not be a total loss yet.

One of the reasons for stroping after is to heat the edge of the blade so as to dry it and hence prevent rust from forming on the edge. It also realigns the micro serrations on the edge. I strop before and after 10 -15 laps. I have blades that I have been using for months without the need for refreshing on a hone. It can be done, there is no magic trick just learning the technique will do the trick.

Raf

That makes me feel a bit better...

[Scorpio]

Also, all blades are different so they will react different when strop and honing meaning some will require a few more laps other less laps. Getting to know your blade is important.

Raf

[PalmettoB]

True. It might not be a total loss. Good stropping technique can resurrect a nearly-there edge. Sometimes after I hone it seems "okay," and then maybe after the second shave (with good stropping technique) it seems "just right."

[Mottern Man]

Oh man, someone send me a Feather AC.

[IsaacRN]

Haha.......

After you learn it....then you get that COOL factor. Carry your cut throat in your boot....shave wherever :)

[Padron]

Check this video, it shows Alexander's ( LX_Emergency at SRP ) honing and stropping. The stropping at the end :cool:

http://video.google.nl/videoplay?docid=-2761594301842672864

[xChris]

Bobby,

If I recall correctly, you got the Tony Miller #1 Best Strop (Original - no D-ring or handle). Use the canvas side first, and do 45-60 laps on each side of the blade. Next, go to the smooth-side of the latigo leather; complete 45-60 laps on each side of the razor. Use enough pressure to keep the spine and edge in contact, but also enough to feel a slight drag.

Stretching is of utmost importance with a straight razor -- much more so than a DE. For both of the blades you have, lean the blade out the same distance to 1.5 times the width of the spine (i.e., no more than 1/4in. and likely closer to 3/16in.). As you make your stroke/pass, make sure that you feel the blade touching to the skin -- this will literally only be a 2-3 pounds of pressure. For a check of cutting action, wipe the lather off of the blade (from spine to edge, and careful not to go over the edge itself) to see if you've got whiskers mixed in with it (should have some dead skin too).

If the edges are indeed toasted, then we'll make arrangements for a swap.

[sparky5693]

Bobby,

If I recall correctly, you got the Tony Miller #1 Best Strop (Original - no D-ring or handle). Use the canvas side first, and do 45-60 laps on each side of the blade. Next, go to the smooth-side of the latigo leather; complete 45-60 laps on each side of the razor. Use enough pressure to keep the spine and edge in contact, but also enough to feel a slight drag.

Stretching is of utmost importance with a straight razor -- much more so than a DE. For both of the blades you have, lean the blade out the same distance to 1.5 times the width of the spine (i.e., no more than 1/4in. and likely closer to 3/16in.). As you make your stroke/pass, make sure that you feel the blade touching to the skin -- this will literally only be a 2-3 pounds of pressure. For a check of cutting action, wipe the lather off of the blade (from spine to edge, and careful not to go over the edge itself) to see if you've got whiskers mixed in with it (should have some dead skin too).

If the edges are indeed toasted, then we'll make arrangements for a swap.

I shaved today before reading this... I will try it tomorrow. I did manage to shave today, but it took more passes than it should have, and my face feels sunburned. I was determined to shave with the straight alone, lol. I'll try the honing technique for tomorrow.

[Baloosh]

I got my package the other day, consisting of the following:

Kobar 6/8 straight razor
Westen Holm 4/8 straight razor
Dovo Best Russian hanging strop
TM Travel paddle strop

The above information was taken off the customs/shipping label. What a cool package! Tonight I tried the 6/8 straight, with no additional stropping (thinking I had read about this SER pass-around that the razors would come shave-ready). I had, what one can call, a horrible first run. I started WTG, on the cheeks only, and regardless of blade angle (from flat on my face all the way to almost 90 degrees) there was major tugging, pulling, and practically no actual cutting of any sort.

So, I figured, I need to strop this bad boy. Here's where my inexperience came in to play. I've read Chris Moss's straight razor .pdf, and there was even an instructional two-page paper from Dovo on how to hone/strop included in this package. However, I really REALLY need to practice my stropping. I went slow and deliberate, concentrating on not lifting the actual razor AT ALL, and instead rolling the razor on the spine only for my back-and-forth passes. Same result. Pulling, tugging, etc.

I ended up busting out my Feather ACD-N Japanese razor with a Pro Guard blade, and finishing my first pass with it. Then followed up with the good old trusty Fatboy.

Don't get me wrong, it was an awesome experience, and I was amazed at the amount of oil on the blades when I first opened the straight razors. Is that to keep them from rusting? Should I be oiling these straights after every use? If so, what kind(s) of oil should I get?

More to follow... MUCH more.... once I get this whole "stropping" thing down! :eek: :rolleyes: ;)

[Mottern Man]

When unused how bout a Feather AC pass.

I like the SER shaving but I don't think I would like maintaning one.

[IsaacRN]

Thats the next step in the evolution in Straight learning for me. Could always send them to someone like Lynn for 20 bucks....Bam....new edge which should last a few months.

[xChris]

I got my package the other day, consisting of the following:

Kobar 6/8 straight razor
Westen Holm 4/8 straight razor
Dovo Best Russian hanging strop
TM Travel paddle strop

The above information was taken off the customs/shipping label. What a cool package! Tonight I tried the 6/8 straight, with no additional stropping (thinking I had read about this SER pass-around that the razors would come shave-ready). I had, what one can call, a horrible first run. I started WTG, on the cheeks only, and regardless of blade angle (from flat on my face all the way to almost 90 degrees) there was major tugging, pulling, and practically no actual cutting of any sort.

So, I figured, I need to strop this bad boy. Here's where my inexperience came in to play. I've read Chris Moss's straight razor .pdf, and there was even an instructional two-page paper from Dovo on how to hone/strop included in this package. However, I really REALLY need to practice my stropping. I went slow and deliberate, concentrating on not lifting the actual razor AT ALL, and instead rolling the razor on the spine only for my back-and-forth passes. Same result. Pulling, tugging, etc.

I ended up busting out my Feather ACD-N Japanese razor with a Pro Guard blade, and finishing my first pass with it. Then followed up with the good old trusty Fatboy.

Don't get me wrong, it was an awesome experience, and I was amazed at the amount of oil on the blades when I first opened the straight razors. Is that to keep them from rusting? Should I be oiling these straights after every use? If so, what kind(s) of oil should I get?

More to follow... MUCH more.... once I get this whole "stropping" thing down! :eek: :rolleyes: ;)

The razors are (if my technique isn't crap) shave ready, but always require stropping on the leather first before shaving for optimum performance and comfort.

The oil on the razors is Ballistol (http://www.ballistol.com/) (mineral oil based). I coat them when shipping, as I never know what the environmental conditions (e.g., humid or damp) they will be subjected to in transit -- most of the razors are carbon steel instead of stainless. Just rinse the blades off under hot water to remove the excess.

You'll have to use more pressure in the stroke than you do with the Feather ACs, and make sure you're stretching adequately. For the stropping, use just a slight bit of pressure to create some drag, and see if that helps the edge draw out like it should.

[Baloosh]

The razors are (if my technique isn't crap) shave ready, but always require stropping on the leather first before shaving for optimum performance and comfort.

The oil on the razors is Ballistol (http://www.ballistol.com/) (mineral oil based). I coat them when shipping, as I never know what the environmental conditions (e.g., humid or damp) they will be subjected to in transit -- most of the razors are carbon steel instead of stainless. Just rinse the blades off under hot water to remove the excess.

You'll have to use more pressure in the stroke than you do with the Feather ACs, and make sure you're stretching adequately. For the stropping, use just a slight bit of pressure to create some drag, and see if that helps the edge draw out like it should.

Got it. I'll give that a try tonight and update with the results. Good stuff!! ::

[xChris]

How are your trials going? I see, at least, that you're still trying to use the equipment by reading your SoS entries. Has the advise given by all helped? Are you still having the same problems, or any new ones show up? I do hope each of you is getting some learning or enjoyment out of this project.

[Mottern Man]

How are your trials going? I see, at least, that you're still trying to use the equipment by reading your SoS entries. Has the advise given by all helped? Are you still having the same problems, or any new ones show up? I do hope each of you is getting some learning or enjoyment out of this project.

I LOVE SHAVING WITH A STR8. :D

But I don't think I want a new AD under my belt and I would probably hate the up keep on one. (I can fell the W&B getting slugish allready).

Pro, it is fun!
Con, hard to do. I will probably look in to a DOVO "Shavette" or a Feather AC. After that who knows.

[Baloosh]

I LOVE SHAVING WITH A STR8. :D

Pro, it is fun!
Con, hard to do. I will probably look in to a DOVO "Shavette" or a Feather AC. After that who knows.

+1 on all counts.

It's a blast, and I can't thank you enough for organizing this and putting it all together for me (us). It's a wonderful opportunity to try something I never thought I'd be doing in a million years.

I definitely know that I need to practice, practice, practice on my stropping. Maybe I need to pick up an old beater straight razor to learn on, and I'm surprised that I have to use a bit of pressure... I'm sort of used to my Feather ACD-N straight, which takes the lightest touch I've ever had to use. Still lots of pulling and tugging with the 4/8 and the 6/8 both... even on my cheeks... but I'm getting there!!!! :D

[IsaacRN]

I agree with you Will....its fun....but damn....after i started using the DE i thought......St8's are alot of work.....and im not even into the honing aspect yet.

[xChris]

OK -- good to hear it's going well for the both of you (I hope Bobby is fairing okay too).

I will say that some of the problems with the pulling are probably due to my skill in honing. I am not a honemeister by any means, and I'm beginng to think that I have a lighter and/or less dense beard than others; I get away with a less than superb edge for shaving apparently.

Once I get settled after moving, I'm going to focus on improving my technique and equipment options I think.

[sparky5693]

I just can't get this to work for me. I've stropped for what seems forever, and I just can't get the blades to cut anything well enough to consider shaved. I honestly have no idea where my flaw is...

[Mottern Man]

Maybe we could send them out to a honestar and see if that helps, if it dosen't at least XC will not have to hone his razors for a bit.

[sparky5693]

Maybe we could send them out to a honestar and see if that helps, if it dosen't at least XC will not have to hone his razors for a bit.

I really have no idea what my problem is. It could entirely be I stropped them incorrectly.

[Mottern Man]

I really have no idea what my problem is. It could entirely be I stropped them incorrectly.

Mine seem to be working ok, would you like to trade? (If it is ok with Chris).

[Scorpio]

I really have no idea what my problem is. It could entirely be I stropped them incorrectly.

This is possible. If you stroped for a long time and your technique was off this can very well dull the edge. At this point I can only suggest the razor be honed again. I can do it if this is ok with Chris.

Raf

[xChris]

Yeah, it's all good with me (as long as I get the equipment back in the end). Whatever it takes to get you guys rolling -- swap blades, send to a honemeister, etc.

[IsaacRN]

You know......as far as sharpening is concerned....i think a wedge is much better than a hallow ground...

[Mottern Man]

Yo Bobby,

Lets trade blades see if that works then if not we can pass to Raf!

[Mottern Man]

Bobby, it is not the razors. :D

[sparky5693]

I figure that out once I tried the new ones. At the rate i'm going, it would take 10+ passes to get a clean "work passable" shave. Obviously my face can't take that. I've been doing two passes with the straight, and finishing up with the de. I'm hoping I figure out what i'm missing by repetition.

[xChris]

Well, I'm sorry to hear that you're having such a bad go of it, Bobby. On the other hand, I'm relieved to read that my honing wasn't the "death" of this round. Hopefully, you're still getting something out of the experience.

Could you explain how you're shaving for those two passes? I'd like to see if we can help solve your issue with the cutting action.

Will--
How are the hollow grinds working out for you? What's your take on the differences in grinds? Which one(s) do you prefer from this limited selection that you've tried?

[Mottern Man]

The Blue Steel Carl Schmit 5/8 Square point = the greatest shave on earth.

I used it last night around 7pm, just now getting 5 o'clock shadow. :D

[xChris]

The Blue Steel Carl Schmit 5/8 Square point = the greatest shave on earth.

I used it last night around 7pm, just now getting 5 o'clock shadow. :D

Watch that spike point! First time I shaved with it, I had several red vertical lines going down my neck! :eek::eek::D I also like the size of it -- 6/8 -- which is the smaller end of my [usual] scale for blade preference. Apparently you're getting the hang of shaving with the straights.

Did you find the handling of the razors different with the various grinds? Sometimes the wedges seem like bulldozers compared to a sports car in the hollow grinds.

[Mottern Man]

Watch that spike point! First time I shaved with it, I had several red vertical lines going down my neck! :eek::eek::D I also like the size of it -- 6/8 -- which is the smaller end of my [usual] scale for blade preference. Apparently you're getting the hang of shaving with the straights.

Did you find the handling of the razors different with the various grinds? Sometimes the wedges seem like bulldozers compared to a sports car in the hollow grinds.

Guess I called the razor wrong.

[Issy]

OK... I have been considering this for weeks now. I kept seeing forumites comment about wanting to try straight edge razor (SER) shaving, but having reservations about the start. As a SER shaver myself, I can understand the dilemma of justifying the upfront expensive of items that you may decide aren't for you.

Therefore, I decided to assemble some of my extra equipment into a "pass-around" kit for the TSD forumites to get their feet wet with in SER shaving. Since most of us are already accomplished DE users (having all the other stuff with which to shave with), the package will include a couple of strops (Dovo 2in. hanging w/linen + TM travel paddle strop) and a couple of razors (shave ready + sterilized). See the below photo for an example.

I have discussed this with a couple of other forumites already to guage potential response (their enthusiasm seems like this will be a fun opportunity), and they are the first two participants.

[For the TSD Moderator(s) and Benefactor(s) -- please delete this thread and notify me if this pass-around offer is against your policy.]

So how's it gonna work? Here's the rules:


Participant agrees to pay insured shipping to them, and insured shipping back to me. (participant will be notified of cost before payment and shipment)
Participant agrees to post a message upon receipt and mailing of package to help track the package (and transit time between locations)
Participant can keep and use the equipment for 1 month after receipt to evaluate their further interest in SER shaving
Participant agrees to cover excessive damage to equipment (small nicks in the strop are one thing, but slicing a piece out of it, or a broken razor scale is quite another)
All maintenance of equipment will be handled by me after return, and prior to shipment to the next participant


If you're interested, PM me or reply in the thread. This is my first time heading up a project like this on a forum, so bear with me as adjustments to the above are [possibly] made. Payment for shipment can be made via PayPal (PM me for my PayPal address), money order, or personal check (for MO & PC, payment must clear before shipping).


Here is the list of participants so far:


TraderJoe
Jim
Sparky5693
Baloosh
Mottern Man

I would LOVE to be added to this list as I have never used a straight blade (although I have shaved with a knife a few times).

Issy

[Mottern Man]

I would LOVE to be added to this list as I have never used a straight blade (although I have shaved with a knife a few times).

Issy

I am getting a straight and strop of my own, when this happens (in a few days) I can Just send you what I have (If it is ok with X-Chris).

[Issy]

I am getting a straight and strop of my own, when this happens (in a few days) I can Just send you what I have (If it is ok with X-Chris).
I sure hope its ok. I will then have your address to send you a "test" shaving soap that is curing now ( although I did try it already and it is "slick" )

[Mottern Man]

Sweet, talk about money for nothing and your chicks for free. :D

They are Chris' Razors, you should send it to him. :)

[Issy]

Sweet, talk about money for nothing and your chicks for free. :D

They are Chris' Razors, you should send it to him. :)
Chris will get one for sure!!!!

Issy

[xChris]

La Pedrera--
YGPM... Are you acquiring your own straights yet?

Issy--
I have no problem with adding you to the trial. I have had the kits coming back to me for maintenance to assure some level of consistency in the readiness of the equipment for when the next person receives it (although reading through this thread may bring that into question :o). However, I am getting ready to PCS (Permanent Change of Station) from Germany, and will be "offline" for several weeks starting in SEP 07. So, you probably wouldn't get a set that I had refreshed until the beginning of NOV 07. Now, I have no problem with having Will re-route his kit to you if you're willing to accept that the straights' edges may not be fully "shave ready;" however, the razors are apparently performing satisfactorily which would make this a non-issue. If you & Will set it up, just keep me informed for my own awareness of where the stuff is at.

[xChris]

Guess I called the razor wrong.
Hey -- YMMV! If it's workin' for ya, then don't let my opinion sway you. If you got the two razors from Bobby, then there is a square & a round point. I will say that the Blue Steel razor has some heft that exudes some confidence in wielding it.

I am getting a straight and strop of my own, when this happens (in a few days) I can Just send you what I have (If it is ok with X-Chris).
Hmm -- so what are you getting? I'm very curious! I'm also a little surprised because of some of your last posts about ADs and maintenance issues. But, I think it's an excellent decision anyway. :D

[xChris]

Will & Issy, Bobby, Jason--

Reference my post a couple above, I am leaving Germany shortly. When it comes time to return the equipment, contact me first to coordinate for the right address. I will be crossing the country to see family & friends before returning to my new duty station.

Good luck with the rest of your trials!

[TraderJoe]

I'm also a little surprised because of some of your last posts about ADs and maintenance issues.

:rofl When it comes right down to it, he's an addict and can't help himself :D

[Mottern Man]

:rofl When it comes right down to it, he's an addict and can't help himself :D

Ding, Ding

I am Hooked! I will learn to hone or something. :D

Chris, If the razors go dull, I am sure some members of the forum can put an edge on them. ;)

[PalmettoB]

Yeah, I don't know that I would qualify as a "honemeister" at all, but I can put a pretty decent edge on a razor. If any of you (East Coasters especially) need any of these honed, I would be glad to do it for just the cost of shipping it to me (if Chris is agreeable).

[sparky5693]

The best shave i've achieved so far comes from holding the bade almost flat against my face, and using way more pressure than it seems like I should. It seems to do the best against the grain. Without the added pressure, I can feel the blade slide across my beard, and not through it. I can see stubble on the razor, and it seems like a good deal, but when I touch my face it seems no different than when I started.

[Mottern Man]

HUMMMMMMMMMM, I am using a slight angle, no pressure, and just nice even stroks.

How is your skin streaching?

Are you hearing a Chop Chop sound?

[xChris]

Bobby--
I'm thinking along the same lines as Will -- maybe you're not stretching enough. What angles have you tried? I was going to suggest we go from horizontal (90 deg.) up to vertical (0 deg.), before your last post, to figure out where the cutting is happening best for you. Are you using long single strokes, or shorter mulitple strokes for the shave?

Is there any tugging or pulling associated with the cutting action, or is it just simply sliding over the hairs? Perhaps the razor edges are too polished (possible -- but improbable?) for your hair/skin, and that is the reason for not cutting? Maybe try just using the canvas side of the strop only then shave -- see if that makes a difference.

Blair--
I'm amicable to getting asssitance to the guys however it is offered. :happy088

[sparky5693]

Chris, I've used straight 90 degrees, and still can't get anything. I'm using long strokes. When I shave it sounds like the hairs are popping up behind the razor, and use I get a good amount of dragging. It seems my first pass removes a small amount of hair, yet the second doesn't remove any.

[xChris]

OK -- try using just the canvas side of the strop only to see if that helps "roughen" [ make it coarser] the edge and improve the cutting performance.

Right now it is either that the razors are not sharp enough, or they are possibly to polished to cut well for you. May need to take up Raf's or Blair's offer to re-hone them.

[xChris]

I updated the first post to reflect the addition of Issy into the trial! Will hooked him up with the set he had, and Will is now using his own straights! :happy096

So, Issy, I hope you have a fun time with the kit! Please feel free to post your experiences and questions here in the thread (or in SoS) as you go.

Bobby & Jason--
What's the latest for you guys?

[Baloosh]

Bobby & Jason--
What's the latest for you guys?

Still using them about once or twice a week (as time permits) but I'm getting faster, and probably will be able to approach daily "normal" shaving times if I keep at it. I sincerely appreciate the opportunity to use these straights, and I plan on picking up my own set of razor, strop, etc. It has turned out to be a nice change of pace for me. So again, thanks for including me!! ::

Still quite surprised at the amount of "push" I have to use with a straight... I guess I'm somewhat used to the Feather ACD-N ultra-super-totally-light pressure. It's all good... just surprising. ;)

[xChris]

Jason--

Great -- seems your learning curve is realy improving! Glad to hear that you're gonna pick it up more frequently as well. I'm glad I could make the stuff available for you to try out.

As for the difference in the trads. vs. the ACD-N, I think a razor honed by a true honemeister will close that gap some for you (keep that in mind).

[Issy]

I would LOVE to be added to this list as I have never used a straight blade (although I have shaved with a knife a few times).

Issy
Just got them today, took a good while longer but I got a pretty close shave 1st shot....cant wait tp try again. Only 1 nick ( although I have a goatee so I guess I dont have to hit the harder spots)

Issy

[Mottern Man]

The chin is hard for me, I still use a DE on that.

[xChris]

Just got them today, took a good while longer but I got a pretty close shave 1st shot....cant wait tp try again. Only 1 nick ( although I have a goatee so I guess I dont have to hit the harder spots)

Issy

Great! That's pretty good for a first shave. Of course, as you get more comfortable and proficient, the speed of the shave will increase.

I remember the first time I shaved with an SER, I was gently shaking as I maneuvered the blade on my neck -- quite a bit nervous. :o I had just switched from an electric razor back to a Mach3 for a few weeks before I started directly with the SER. :eek: :D

[Issy]

Great! That's pretty good for a first shave. Of course, as you get more comfortable and proficient, the speed of the shave will increase.

I remember the first time I shaved with an SER, I was gently shaking as I maneuvered the blade on my neck -- quite a bit nervous. :o I had just switched from an electric razor back to a Mach3 for a few weeks before I started directly with the SER. :eek: :D
Even better shave last night, I love the weight of the round blade...bring me one home please..lol. I had to hide my jewelers files so I wouldnt make the tops of both blades match, its such a handsome blade.

[xChris]

Here is the updated list of participants as of 24 SEP 07:


TraderJoe
Jim
Sparky5693
Baloosh
Mottern Man
Issy
jfrancisco


Black = already participated, and returned their kit
Green = have received their kit, and are using it for their trial period
Blue = awaiting shipment of next available kit for their trial period

[xChris]

Updated the list again; the only remaining activity is Baloosh.

Due to my recent PCS, and temporary lodging situation, I am postponing shipment for a short period. However, anyone still interested in signing up for the trial can PM or e-mail me through the TSD website (of course, I may be slow to respond because of a lack of internet conectivity).

[Issy]

You're welcome, Raf! I really like that Torrey too. I got it for a good price on the "bay." Only did some polishing & honing on it too before use.


I'm really glad to hear that the trial was a success from your perspective too, and you're most welcome. The fact that you'll get you own to continue is great news too.

Yeah, if you're satisfied with your trial -- go ahead & send them back. Will can't get his kit until yours comes back. :p :D Was one month a sufficient amount of time?
I want that ERN back...I fell in love with her, I can only dream to find the way she shaved as she did...sitting slightly spread on the counter waiting for me to get hot and lathered before she would open up, she gleamed at me with a smile that said IM yours...do with me want you want. But alas Chris took her back....maybe I will find her sister oneday...such a fine spine she had.

Issy

[Scorpio]

I want that ERN back...I fell in love with her, I can only dream to find the way she shaved as she did...sitting slightly spread on the counter waiting for me to get hot and lathered before she would open up, she gleamed at me with a smile that said IM yours...do with me want you want. But alas Chris took her back....maybe I will find her sister oneday...such a fine spine she had.

Issy

geez not you too!!!!!:D


Raf

[Scorpio]

Just curious to see where we are with the trial. We have had success converting members so it would be great if we can keep this idea alive.

So who has the blades?
Any progress reports?
is there a holiday break in the trial?

Merry Christmas Chris!!!

Raf

[Baloosh]

I shipped my loaner items back to Chris last week.. should arrive sometime this week, given the holidays and all. I believe I was the only one with any items still outstanding.

The entire process was excellent, and I was DEFINITELY lucky to have been given a chance to try out the straight razor and stropping process before deciding whether or not to invest and continue with straights.

Just my humble opinion, but if others are interested after the holidays, it should definitely be continued.

[xChris]

Well, I just haven't had enough time to perform the maintenance on all of the returned kits (Jason's is the only one still in transit back to me). Some of the razors need honing, and the strops need some attention too.

My last post said that I was getting settled in after my PCS move (that's still true), but no one has approached me (PM, e-mail, etc.) to get on the list either.

[TOB9595]

I put out a pm to you.

I just posted a WTB for a str8 on SRP. This passaround would enable me to get a better idea if str8 is for me. Trying a few different bevels/styles is very appreciated
If I can be a part of this pass, I would delay buying a straight and strop.
WONDERFUL!!!
MERRY CHRISTMAS
Tom

[xChris]

PM replied to -- you're in! I'll get another kit set up for your use.

[xChris]

Updated participant list--


TraderJoe
Jim
Sparky5693
Baloosh
Mottern Man
Issy
TOB9595

[TOB9595]

What a splendid time for this to be rolling around my way.
Am I a Straight Edge Razor user?
What sizes and types of str8 do I like?

If only life had more people to aid in experiencing it;....it would be an easier journey.
Thanks
Tom

[xChris]

Updated the list to reflect Baloosh's kit being returned.

TOB9595 -- YGPM

[Baloosh]

I'd like to take a minute again to thank Chris for this wonderful opportunity. Now that the razors have FINALLY made it back to him, I can put in my overall findings.

I didn't use the smaller 4/8 blade as much as the 6/8, but I did notice that by the end, both of them seemed pretty dull. That was probably due more to my lack of technique on the 4/8 than anything else. I never did quite get the stropping thing down, but it's definitely something to look forward to!

I just found the 6/8 felt better in my hand, and I could actually maneuver it around my face easier than that 4/8, for whatever reason(s). Weird huh? I definitely plan on picking up a start package -- 6/8 straight, strop, hone, etc. I've learned that straights are a nice alternative to DE razors, and something I will grow to appreciate very soon!

[TOB9595]

Chris
PM back atcha
Tom

[xChris]

Particpant list is updated once more. I'm preparing two kits for the latest requests.

[Baron]

Woo hoo! Made the list! :D

[Baron]

Mine is on it's way! (well... maybe not as of this post, but soon!)

[xChris]

Both kits for TOB9595 & Baron are enroute.

Due to my duties, I'll be a little difficult to get a hold of in the next couple of weeks. I'd like to solicit the other straight shavers in assisting these guys when they get their kits in. To TOB9595 & Baron, please post up your questions and experiences. We want to make sure you get the most out of this exchange.

[TOB9595]

THanks for the heads up.
Tom

[TOB9595]

I received thre razors and two strops in todays mail.
I stropped one up and shaved with it.
I have a lot o